I haven't noticed anyone mentioning the marathon debut of perhaps the greatest distance runner of all time, Kenenisa Bekele (it's a toss-up between him and Haile Gebrselassie, in my opinion). What a great debut! Go ahead, haters, say he's doping. You don't have such a long, incredible career in cross country, on the track, and now on the roads as Bekele's had and be a doper. Or would someone still like to disagree?
Try Steve Jones in 84 at Chicago with a marathon world record debut against the best marathoners in the world at that time.
Geb still has the edge, take all distance events: 3k, 5k, 10k, HM and marathon, Geb has a faster PB in three of them.
And Bekele is coming closer. In terms of medals he already has the edge (bad luck for Geb in Atlanta with that too hard track, built for sprint times).
Jones's debut was in 1983 in Chicago. DNF
Shawn H wrote:
You don't have such a long, incredible career in cross country, on the track, and now on the roads as Bekele's had and be a doper. Or would someone still like to disagree
yes I disagree and I don't hate him either
a long career at the top of sport is typical for career dopers
all the same I'd take bekele over farah any day
Zatopek for Olympic gold
Shawn H wrote:I haven't noticed anyone mentioning the marathon debut of perhaps the greatest distance runner of all time, Kenenisa Bekele (it's a toss-up between him and Haile Gebrselassie, in my opinion). What a great debut! Go ahead, haters, say he's doping. You don't have such a long, incredible career in cross country, on the track, and now on the roads as Bekele's had and be a doper. Or would someone still like to disagree?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/london-marathon/10748587/Kenenisa-Bekele-breaks-course-record-in-Paris-Marathon-in-debut-over-distance.html
anyone who runs seriously < 2"04+ at decent even pace / no windy is already offering some serious current 10k of
< 26'30
no one ever asked if a
26'17
=
2"05+ ?
ventolin^3 wrote:
Shawn H wrote:I haven't noticed anyone mentioning the marathon debut of perhaps the greatest distance runner of all time, Kenenisa Bekele (it's a toss-up between him and Haile Gebrselassie, in my opinion). What a great debut! Go ahead, haters, say he's doping. You don't have such a long, incredible career in cross country, on the track, and now on the roads as Bekele's had and be a doper. Or would someone still like to disagree?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/london-marathon/10748587/Kenenisa-Bekele-breaks-course-record-in-Paris-Marathon-in-debut-over-distance.htmlanyone who runs seriously < 2"04+ at decent even pace / no windy is already offering some serious current 10k of
< 26'30
no one ever asked if a
26'17
=
2"05+ ?
True. I'm not sure what Bekele's plans are for track, but usually when great 10K runners move to the marathon and other races on the road, it's later in their careers when they may have lost a few steps, and most of them end up sticking to the roads and never going back to serious track running.
ventolin^3 wrote:
Shawn H wrote:I haven't noticed anyone mentioning the marathon debut of perhaps the greatest distance runner of all time, Kenenisa Bekele (it's a toss-up between him and Haile Gebrselassie, in my opinion). What a great debut! Go ahead, haters, say he's doping. You don't have such a long, incredible career in cross country, on the track, and now on the roads as Bekele's had and be a doper. Or would someone still like to disagree?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/london-marathon/10748587/Kenenisa-Bekele-breaks-course-record-in-Paris-Marathon-in-debut-over-distance.htmlanyone who runs seriously < 2"04+ at decent even pace / no windy is already offering some serious current 10k of
< 26'30
no one ever asked if a
26'17
=
2"05+ ?
This is not entirely true. When Geb ran 2:03:59 he ran 26:51 for the 10000m that year. He wasn't in 26:30 shape much less sub 26:30 shape
No wrote:
This is not entirely true. When Geb ran 2:03:59 he ran 26:51 for the 10000m that year. He wasn't in 26:30 shape much less sub 26:30 shape
That's only true if that 26:51 was a time trial type race. Sitting and kicking a 26:51 means that he could have been in 26:30 shape. No kick because he was coming down from marathon training.
i have major doubts about ventolins assertion that 2-04 guys are all in sub 26-30 shape
in fact i don't believe it
just sayin wrote:
i have major doubts about ventolins assertion that 2-04 guys are all in sub 26-30 shape
in fact i don't believe it
Mo Farah's performance broke ventolin's calculator
It was a time trialed race. Him and Sileshi Swere running that race to qualify for their spot on the 10k team. Since Ethiopians only go by times instead of places for the qualification process. I think it's fair to say it was a time trialed race.
52.43 wrote:
Geb still has the edge, take all distance events: 3k, 5k, 10k, HM and marathon, Geb has a faster PB in three of them.
And Bekele is coming closer. In terms of medals he already has the edge (bad luck for Geb in Atlanta with that too hard track, built for sprint times).
Distances that you can win an Olympic medal it's 2-1 Bekele.
This is letsrun, so you need to be a bit more extreme in your use of hyperbole, otherwise the basement-dwellers won't understand you:
Do you mean the best ever by the best ever, or the greatest ever in history by the GOAT, or the No1 since records began by the official best of all time?
little boy hyperbole wrote:
This is letsrun, so you need to be a bit more extreme in your use of hyperbole, otherwise the basement-dwellers won't understand you:
Do you mean the best ever by the best ever, or the greatest ever in history by the GOAT, or the No1 since records began by the official best of all time?
Either of those would apply. The statement was written as a question: "Best Marathon Debut By the Best Distance Runner Ever?" I wanted to stimulate argument and conversation, not make a flat-out statement. There have been MANY better marathon times--and probably many better marathon debut times than Bekele's. But only Gebrselassie can really be compared to Bekele when it comes to BEST EVER AT EVERYTHING, i.e. cross country, track AND on the roads. Remember Bekele's recent Bupa run where he outkicked one of the best kickers of all time, Mo Farah. Bekele and Geb are the ultimate all-around GOAT's at everything when it comes to distance running.
Here's the official Men's marathon records list, so you can see where Bekele's time ranks. But remember, Bekele's time at Paris is a record on that course. That means a lot, too:
No wrote:
It was a time trialed race. Him and Sileshi Swere running that race to qualify for their spot on the 10k team. Since Ethiopians only go by times instead of places for the qualification process. I think it's fair to say it was a time trialed race.
That's not fair to say at all. You can't just guess if it was time trialed or not to support your point. You actually need to find out how the race played out. Plenty of time trials don't go as planned. Nor is every time trial a max effort - see Cheserek's 10k at Stanford last week.
Again, in summary, it's not fair to say that at all. Stop guessing and find some real facts.
Plus Bekele stopped at 38K in Paris and did some jumping jacks to smooth out his hamstring.
Shawn H wrote:
I haven\'t noticed anyone mentioning the marathon debut of perhaps the greatest distance runner of all time, Kenenisa Bekele (it\'s a toss-up between him and Haile Gebrselassie, in my opinion). What a great debut! Go ahead, haters, say he\'s doping. You don\'t have such a long, incredible career in cross country, on the track, and now on the roads as Bekele\'s had and be a doper. Or would someone still like to disagree?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/london-marathon/10748587/Kenenisa-Bekele-breaks-course-record-in-Paris-Marathon-in-debut-over-distance.html
2 years away because of \'injury\' was cause he was caught.