That is truly remarkable.
“Basically I was running marathon effort for 90 minutes one week, two hours the next week, an hour and 45 the next week,”
If true, this is the hardest any elite athlete has ever trained for the Boston Marathon.
Expect great things on Monday.
Link:http://www.runnersworld.com/boston-marathon/hall-hopes-for-return-to-form
Who knows what pace "marathon effort" is. At Flagstaff or Addis Ababa it certainly isn't 4:45 pace. Hard 2 hour runs near marathon pace wouldn't be anything new... well, new for Americans maybe.
how did you force 'marathon effort' to mean '4:45 pace'?
To be fair, I don't the OP is trolling, he's just an idiot.
HardLoper wrote:
Who knows what pace "marathon effort" is.
We can look at it from "effort" rather than a "pace" perspective. If he really was to run at Marathon effort for 2h, that is a ridiculous effort, no matter how much you adjust for altitude or heat, profile and whatnot.
I think what Hall really meant is that he did tempos of up to two hours at an effort SLIGHTLY SLOWER than Marathon effort.
I am sure the Runners World crowd is impressed that he ran Marathon effort for two hours but I call BS on this.
Why do American runners tell all about their training before a big race? That only hypes them to be a contender for the win, and only Meb at NYCM has done that in a big road race. Don't tell me about your training beforehand. Just go win the race and tell me why we should not have been surprised afterward. Otherwise, I'm not impressed.
Because people ask them. What do you want him to talk about, his favorite baseball team?
Halleluja wrote:
That is truly remarkable.
Not so remarkable once you understand that Gerry Lindgren was acting as pacemaker and the efforts must go down as aided.
I wish him luck at Boston and would think of it as a win for him if he made it to the Framingham Dairy Queen with out injury.
Hsll used to always do something like 10-15 miles on the Boston course at "Marathon effort" and it would generally be about 5:00-5:10 pace IN TRAINING. He would then express some amazement that he could go much faster and longer on race day. Or at least he would hope he could. He always did as well.
If anyone can, please search a few years ago on Hall. He did a similar workout at a similar pace, just before Boston. Look, the guy is talented. I get that. But, he is the Alex Rodriguez of marathon races that count. He has great numbers. Wonderful stats. And, somehow is not the guy everybody really likes (like Meb). And, he chokes at Boston, NYC and the Olympics. Now, I say choke, I don't mean he didn't run a very good time chronically. I mean, he and/or those around him made it seem as if he was in "great shape", and ready to win..Boston, the Olympics, etc.. Yet, he tends to have flashes of uncomfortable moments ( see running past Wellsley girls) that make us 'running fans' cringe.
From the armchair quarterback so to-speak, sine there is no QB in running, I would advise this:
A- Don't go out too hard. Meaning, DON'T take the lead until after 15 or 16 miles, if you are able.
B- Just run. Don't do any theatrics. Just run and be grateful, and make sure to say the right things about the people and city of Boston.
That's all.
Good luck.
And GO BOSTON, BABY!!!
I wonder if he will be able to run that pace for 26.1 on Monday?
greenstone wrote:
To be fair, I don't the OP is trolling, he's just an idiot.
^^^that^^^
Halleluja wrote:
That is truly remarkable.
“Basically I was running marathon effort for 90 minutes one week, two hours the next week, an hour and 45 the next week,”Link:http://www.runnersworld.com/boston-marathon/hall-hopes-for-return-to-form
If you're gonna do 2:00 at 4:45 pace you might as well just tack on another mile at that pace and say you did a 2:04:30 marathon for training.
More than likely, that 2:00 "effort" was at about 5:30 pace or thereabouts if it was done at 9000'.
MIC ITW wrote:
If you're gonna do 2:00 at 4:45 pace you might as well just tack on another mile at that pace and say you did a 2:04:30 marathon for training.
Unnecessary.
Hall is already a "2:04 guy"... I remember him talking about it a few years ago and how nobody can take that away from him.
have to ask wrote:
Why do American runners tell all about their training before a big race? That only hypes them to be a contender for the win, and only Meb at NYCM has done that in a big road race. Don't tell me about your training beforehand. Just go win the race and tell me why we should not have been surprised afterward. Otherwise, I'm not impressed.
Because American Athletes usually lose, so to keep their sponsors happy they hype up everything pre-race, as opposed to post race when the victor gets no media attention because they aren't American.
Its all about selling shoes, and making American athletes looks and feel important.
have to ask wrote:
Why do American runners tell all about their training before a big race? That only hypes them to be a contender for the win, and only Meb at NYCM has done that in a big road race. Don't tell me about your training beforehand. Just go win the race and tell me why we should not have been surprised afterward. Otherwise, I'm not impressed.
This.
Ho Hum wrote:
Because people ask them. What do you want him to talk about, his favorite baseball team?
Exactly.
Hall could run 2hr runs @ 4:30 pace and he still wouldn't be a threat to win Boston or any major race with the Africans. He's never proven capable of winning big races with the big boys and this time will be no different.
I don't think Hall is honest about his training. I think he believes his own hype and has issues with being such a "famous" runner. Obviously what people think of him has immense power in his life and I would venture that he is quite insecure these days about his abilities. The reality is that Hall hasn't had done anything of note for years and therefore has nothing to brag about race-wise so he has to brag about his "training" instead.
Halleluja wrote:
That is truly remarkable.
“Basically I was running marathon effort for 90 minutes one week, two hours the next week, an hour and 45 the next week,”If true, this is the hardest any elite athlete has ever trained for the Boston Marathon.
Expect great things on Monday.
Link:http://www.runnersworld.com/boston-marathon/hall-hopes-for-return-to-form
Back in the day guys would run the first 20 miles of a
marathon hard as a training run.
How hard does Ryan have to run at 9,000 feet in Ethiopia
for it to be considered " marathon pace effort "
There is a psychological component to preparing to race a
marathon, and telling yourself you have done the marathon
pace efforts and can go with the leaders at Boston is part
of that.