My prs from this season are above, 5k from xc. I did about 40 mpw in base training, but over the last 5 weeks the most I've done was about 25 (with lots of speed stuff). I've never run the mile but there's another kid in it who recently ran 4:36.
What should my strategy be and what time do you think I can run it in?
You can drop a 50point but only 1:57 for 8?
Your 8 should be considerably faster, 1:53. 1:55 worst case.
gross wrote:
You can drop a 50point but only 1:57 for 8?
Your 8 should be considerably faster, 1:53. 1:55 worst case.
Except not moron. Webb had a 353 mile and 47 split. By your logic with webb's endurance he should gone like 1:43 in HS. This kid is obviously more speed based numbnuts.
I had similar times and did 4.23. Take it out a bit slower and hammer the last 500.
You People Should Thank Me wrote:
I had similar times and did 4.23. Take it out a bit slower and hammer the last 500.
I'm not sure if you're suggesting that he can go 4:23 or not, but if you are, I think the part you may have overlooked is that the OP has been doing 25 mpw for 5 weeks with speed workouts.
It'd probably be very difficult to run the mile that quickly on only 25 mpw training.
Go out in 2:08 presumably as the leader at the half and then hang on for 4:22.
if OP is north of 17 minutes for 5k, toss out any chance of sub-4:30 even with 1:57 speed. that 1:57 is just a result of having 50.x speed. anybody running 50 for 400 oughta break 2 easily.
i'll call 4:40
Seyta wrote:
You People Should Thank Me wrote:I had similar times and did 4.23. Take it out a bit slower and hammer the last 500.
I'm not sure if you're suggesting that he can go 4:23 or not, but if you are, I think the part you may have overlooked is that the OP has been doing 25 mpw for 5 weeks with speed workouts.
It'd probably be very difficult to run the mile that quickly on only 25 mpw training.
I was doing 25-30mpw also.
Wow that is terrible endurance.
Based on the fact that you are very speed oriented, I would say anywhere from 4:36-4:46. I would have given you a much better time, if your 400 was 53ish, but there is far too much drop off to the 800 for me to believe you could run a legit time.
Dropped a 4:37 with wierd ass splits and beat the kid in a strategic race that obviously didn't go as planned (64/75/77/61)
Actually, it sounds like it went exactly as it should have been planned, at least if your goal was to win. With superior speed, this was ideal pacing for you probably. You could certainly run sub 4:30 with good pacing based on what you ran in this mile.
8sOnDeck wrote:
Dropped a 4:37 with wierd ass splits and beat the kid in a strategic race that obviously didn't go as planned (64/75/77/61)
reed wrote:
if OP is north of 17 minutes for 5k, toss out any chance of sub-4:30 even with 1:57 speed. that 1:57 is just a result of having 50.x speed. anybody running 50 for 400 oughta break 2 easily.
i'll call 4:40
I'd call 1.57 breaking 2 mins easily.
Seyta wrote:
You People Should Thank Me wrote:I had similar times and did 4.23. Take it out a bit slower and hammer the last 500.
I'm not sure if you're suggesting that he can go 4:23 or not, but if you are, I think the part you may have overlooked is that the OP has been doing 25 mpw for 5 weeks with speed workouts.
It'd probably be very difficult to run the mile that quickly on only 25 mpw training.
25mpw after doing 40mpw? That's heaps for a HS kid to run a good mile - at about double the 800 + 30 secs.
What I don't get is the 400/800 speed differential. I've got speed-based kids on a lot less mileage than that who can get their differential down to 7-7.5 (differential between 400 speed and average lap for 800). Yours is at 8 seconds if those times are accurate. was that 800 your limit or do you think you can go faster?
Dumasshitur wrote:
gross wrote:You can drop a 50point but only 1:57 for 8?
Your 8 should be considerably faster, 1:53. 1:55 worst case.
Except not moron. Webb had a 353 mile and 47 split. By your logic with webb's endurance he should gone like 1:43 in HS. This kid is obviously more speed based numbnuts.
Hahahaha you serious? 47-1:47 50-1:53-5, looks like he is right on.
Jundo calculator gives preliminary lines of fit:
50'5/1'57"0/4'26"0
50'5/1'57"9/4'29"6
I would advise going out in 67"0 for each of the first 2 laps and seeing how you feel.