The first USA guy under 27:00 and you are going to the Marathon now?
Reeks of desperation and pay check grabbing.
He's done, he's going to cook that hamstring again and get injured and see a rapid career decline/end.
Discuss.
The first USA guy under 27:00 and you are going to the Marathon now?
Reeks of desperation and pay check grabbing.
He's done, he's going to cook that hamstring again and get injured and see a rapid career decline/end.
Discuss.
My guess is the hamstring was always going to be an issue if he was going to do the required speed training needed to compete at an elite level on the track. That said, I admittedly know next to nothing about hamstring injuries and marathon training. Is doing the slower but long grinding marathon training more or less a risk for hamstring injuries. Or is his injury history totally irrelevant in this decision?
Desperate moove wrote:
The first USA guy under 27:00 and you are going to the Marathon now?
Reeks of desperation and pay check grabbing.
He's done, he's going to cook that hamstring again and get injured and see a rapid career decline/end.
Discuss.
I think it's a smart move. In fact I called it a few weeks ago:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5615713&page=1
Ryan Foreman wrote:
My guess is the hamstring was always going to be an issue if he was going to do the required speed training needed to compete at an elite level on the track.
That said, I admittedly know next to nothing about hamstring injuries and marathon training. Is doing the slower but long grinding marathon training more or less a risk for hamstring injuries.
Or is his injury history totally irrelevant in this decision?
Desperate moove wrote:The first USA guy under 27:00 and you are going to the Marathon now?
Reeks of desperation and pay check grabbing.
He's done, he's going to cook that hamstring again and get injured and see a rapid career decline/end.
Discuss.
I think you're jumping to a pretty quick conclusion. I would not be surprised if after two years of marathon focused training he develops an aerobic strength that surpasses his old base by such a high level that with just a little extra anaerobic conditioning he will attempt the 10k in 2016.
The Anti-Antitheist wrote:
Ryan Foreman wrote:My guess is the hamstring was always going to be an issue if he was going to do the required speed training needed to compete at an elite level on the track.
That said, I admittedly know next to nothing about hamstring injuries and marathon training. Is doing the slower but long grinding marathon training more or less a risk for hamstring injuries.
Or is his injury history totally irrelevant in this decision?
I think you're jumping to a pretty quick conclusion. I would not be surprised if after two years of marathon focused training he develops an aerobic strength that surpasses his old base by such a high level that with just a little extra anaerobic conditioning he will attempt the 10k in 2016.
I would say this is extremely unlikely.
A very large number of runners move up to the Marathon/Half Marathon once their speed has faded. However, VERY few runners who started in the Marathon will ever move down.
If Solinsky's problem is that his hamstring won't allow him to do the needed speedwork, then it's unlikely that he would ever be competitive on the track again even with a huge aerobic base.
He had to try. He didn't get this far by giving up. But objectively, he seems to be done. 2:15 marathon at best. But he can move on knowing he broke 27. That is a huge accomplishment.
Was Meb done when he moved up to the marathon? Sure doesn't seem like it and Chris DESTROYED every time Meb ran on the track.
Dennis Reynolds 2.0 wrote:
Was Meb done when he moved up to the marathon? Sure doesn't seem like it and Chris DESTROYED every time Meb ran on the track.
Agreed. Solinsky is only 28 years old. 13:12 after his final collegiate season, and sub 13:00 and 27:00 a couple years later. Hell no he shouldn't quit yet with that talent without giving at least dedicating 3 more years at the marathon. If it doesn't work out he's still a young man of 31-32 and will move on to a different career path.
But if he came back to the track after Marathon training he is basically Dathan Ritzenheim at best. Which begs the question. Does he really want to compete against Rupp on the track and get totally destroyed in the last 800M? I think the question answers itself.
George Atlas wrote:
Dennis Reynolds 2.0 wrote:Was Meb done when he moved up to the marathon? Sure doesn't seem like it and Chris DESTROYED every time Meb ran on the track.
Agreed. Solinsky is only 28 years old. 13:12 after his final collegiate season, and sub 13:00 and 27:00 a couple years later. Hell no he shouldn't quit yet with that talent without giving at least dedicating 3 more years at the marathon. If it doesn't work out he's still a young man of 31-32 and will move on to a different career path.
Maybe he just wants to impress the coworkers around the water cooler as Anyone can do a 10k
is he running clydsdale
he could bench press haile's car
I think it's a good move. We all know there was little chance he'd make it in 2016 10k. Usa marathoning is weak, with the exception of ritz and meb, and mebs not going to make the 2016 team. That leaves 2 spots, and if solinsky can go sub 2:10 he'll probably make it.
Solinsky is not done until he says he is done.
He could very well be done if you judge his future performance with hid past prime performance. He certainly didn't last many seasons while at the top of his game before he got injured. I would think he'd be more prone to injury if he's going to be bumping up the mileage for a marathon. Training for say a sub 210 marathon is intense as well. Its not like he'll just be cruising 120 mpw.
I'd agree that he can focus on the marathon, then add some speed in 2016. Try for the team in the marathon and 10K. Why not?
Best scenario, he's already run under 2:10 and can make the marathon team in 2016. Then, he does enuff speed work to make the team in the 10,000 with a 3rd place finish.
Then, gets to the games without injury.
I'm dreaming big on Solinsky's behalf. What the heck, dreams are the fuel of our sport. I could see all this happening. A long shot, but far from impossible.
Desperate moove wrote:
The first USA guy under 27:00 and you are going to the Marathon now?
Reeks of desperation and pay check grabbing.
Those first two lines almost read like an oxymoron to me. A sub-27 guy moving up to the marathon can't possibly by definition reek of desperation.
My call is that he will fail at the marathon. But, he will fail at anything running related by now. So why not chase the paychecks while he can? I'd move up to the marathon if I were him too! But I personally don't expect much. His 27 10k was awesome but also the end of everything. Unfortunate.
rojo wrote:
Desperate moove wrote:The first USA guy under 27:00 and you are going to the Marathon now?
Reeks of desperation and pay check grabbing.
Those first two lines almost read like an oxymoron to me. A sub-27 guy moving up to the marathon can't possibly by definition reek of desperation.
Rojo - you will just try to be contrary about everything. You're a child.
You really can't figure this out? He's saying that if he was serious about maximizing what he could really do he'd stick to an event where he demonstrated immense potential in his FIRST SHOT, instead of diving for a new event.
If he thought he could run sub 27 for 10k - would he move to the marathon? Nooooopeeee...
lomong genius wrote:
rojo wrote:Those first two lines almost read like an oxymoron to me. A sub-27 guy moving up to the marathon can't possibly by definition reek of desperation.
Rojo - you will just try to be contrary about everything. You're a child.
You really can't figure this out? He's saying that if he was serious about maximizing what he could really do he'd stick to an event where he demonstrated immense potential in his FIRST SHOT, instead of diving for a new event.
If he thought he could run sub 27 for 10k - would he move to the marathon? Nooooopeeee...
I don't think the move up to the marathon is desperate, I think it is logical. No different than anyone else that has ever moved up to the marathon, Geb, Tergat, Bekele etc... Chris was just forced to move up sooner than planned due to an injury.
I hope he has success at least as an American marathoner, which could be anything in the 2:07 - 09 range. If he could make the Olympics and finish top American at a few big World Champs marathon, he could retire and be absolutely proud of his running career. I think he could retire today and be proud of his career but I know he wants more.
Solinsky is not even close to being a sub 27 runner now so you might as well pretend that practically didn't happen when it comes to predicting his Marathon potential.