Everyone, please rewatch the 1964 Olympic mens 10000m race

Dennis Reynolds 2.0 wrote:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOj0zjPzg-c

No DQs, just a champion who doesn't let some contact bother him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOj0zjPzg-c#t=16

That's what I'm talking about. Lots of contact between the top 3 guys and THAT is racing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs6G8NfEyVk#t=46

Here's another angle, in color.

Most Interesting Coach ITW wrote:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOj0zjPzg-c#t=16

That's what I'm talking about. Lots of contact between the top 3 guys and THAT is racing!

It's not too late to appeal this, right?

And if Mills had lost that race after the contact?

Thanks for hyperlinking those Blitzcraig, why doesn't it happen automatically?

I was sitting near that corner and low down in 1964. That bump may have won Mills the race because he learned that the middle lanes were more solid than lane one which had been chewed up by morning rain and previous races.

I once saw a high school race in which a runner stepped off the track at midfield and ran across to the other side where he waited for the field to get there and then hit another runner in the face.

By the way, elbows often fly in races in Europe and especially in indoor running and the start of cross country. I know of top runners who start cross country with elbows spread wide.

Racing is not the running of time trials.

And black folks couldn't vote in '64. German/ Soviets were doped to the gills, children routinely beaten for bronze medals by the Chinese.

Lets not use that time period for examples on how to behave

Salazar wants races to be conducted like his asinine post-race workouts. Would Pre, Shorter, Dixon, Snell, Joanie have whined if they had been jostled? There is the NOP/Slaney response to misfortune and then there is the response of classier runners, which is to dig down.

Orville Atkins wrote:

Racing is not the running of time trials.

Great story Orville, and thank you for checking in. I was hoping you and some other experienced guys would add some perspective on this.

It's much appreciated.

so watch wahat? wrote:

And black folks couldn't vote in '64. German/ Soviets were doped to the gills, children routinely beaten for bronze medals by the Chinese.

Lets not use that time period for examples on how to behave

Umm, WTF does any of that have to do with people racing over a distance on foot?

boo-fvckin-hoo

bad analogy wrote:

Umm he was shoved, not tripped. Hasay was SHOVED and Elbowed earlier in that same race, and continued on.

international guy of mystery wrote:

boo-fvckin-hoo

bad analogy wrote:

Umm he was shoved, not tripped. Hasay was SHOVED and Elbowed earlier in that same race, and continued on.

With all the hoola she must have been raped as well, surely. If not, then it is a making a mountain out of a molehill. This is not to disparage Hasay, she needs to learn that racing outside of the NCAA (like this clip from 64) isn't without some contact (intentional or not, and can be simply a tactic to disorient a runner) especially when weaving in and out of lanes - GG is the one that was running on the rail the entire time, Hasay couldn't decide what lane she wanted to be in.

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As far as I can see this was a personal grudge (as some posters seem to have as well) against GG. It's like she doesn't really count (like a black person in the pre-war#2 era)since she is a Brooks athlete and not a Nike athlete so she is "trash". Sad comment on the state of Track in the USA if that mindset exists.

Pre actually did whine about the way Gammoudi raced in Munich.

Oh, that's cool. So does that mean the USATF's rules and regulations haven't changed since 1964 and are just a copy of what the IOC was using at the time?

Agreed. And thanks for posting that the winner did not shove or impede. Me, after the shove, I am happy to see Mills win, not Clark. Want some more meaningful background than this recent scuffle? http://jaie.asu.edu/v13/V13S3twe.htmlYou folks have gone insane about all this. A kid runs across a field and hits someone and yes, that\'s not a time trial. How about beating someone the old-fashioned way, by outrunning them. Hasay was bumped from behind, and rather defenseless, blind, to it. Personally I thought it was mild until I watched it over and over like the rest of us crazy runners. Now I am 51% to 49% in my brain supporting the DQ, where once I was exactly the opposite. The logic of using other examples is getting out of hand. It\'s the first time in ages reading LetsRun comments is getting as silly and discouraging as reading Yahoo comments on political events. Bye, you all. I am thinking of resubscribing to TFN and leaving LetsRun to those who cheer the bullies. Enjoy your roller derby. Me, I am not supporting Salazar or GG in all this, and maybe not Nike. But certainly not this new anything-goes attitude. Until Merga or someone Middle Eastern does it to those we are fans of of course, then the tide you all are floating on will reverse. Billy Mills, by the way, was a hero who suffered a lot of bullying (on and around the track) nobody was DQ\'d for. Watch the movie, listen to him speak, read more about him. Like I said, here\'s a great place to start: http://jaie.asu.edu/v13/V13S3twe.html

alanson wrote:

And if Mills had lost that race after the contact?