Is Lagat getting better with age?

not buying it wrote:

Simply doesn't pass the sniff test. Reminds me of Regina Jacobs. He's a likable guy, sure, but come on. Doped for his 3:26, a little less doped now...

This would require him to have run a time in some event that's better than his 3:26. So no, he isn't getting particularly better with age.

If he was, then the 1500m world record would by now be out of reach for several decades.

Like a good wine.

What is a sniff test? I've never met anyone that can smell drugs from thousands of miles away through multiple computers

3'26.34

No he's in no way getting "better" but his decline is extremely slow which is what many find suspicious.

For me either Lagat is one of the greatest if not greatest runners all time for 1500m-5000m from his #3 all time and 2nd fastest person ever in the 1500m to being competitive years later in the 1500-5000m nearly 10 years after his silver medal in Athens, and the end of El G's reign as the best 1500m runner.

Or he is doping, one or the other and Lagat's talent is still extremely high nevertheless, 3'26.34 doped is still a fantastic time. personally I can't choose between the options.

You all offer drivel because you know what you see, and you know it's bogus.

Sniff, see, hear, feel--the man is 40 and arguably the strongest he has ever been. There is nothing natural about "Berny" and frankly, I'm tired of seeing this erythropoietic Kenyan parading about like he's some kind of symbol for clean sport

Time for Letsrun to ask 'the old man' the tough questions

I remember Lagat racing guys like Goucher, Meb, Abdi etc. in college. Those guys peaked around 2004-2006 and held until 2008-9 before the decline became more evident.

Lagat on the other hand. What is the time conversion on this today? And blowing out Rupp, Hill and Lomong like they were college guys? These are 3:32-3:35/7:30-7:34/12:58-13:05 guys.

Wasn't lagat a 3:37 guy in like 1995? almost 20 years later he can still crush 4:00 in the mile, probably 3:50?

Longevity master wrote:

Wasn't lagat a 3:37 guy in like 1995? almost 20 years later he can still crush 4:00 in the mile, probably 3:50?

Exactly how much slower than his peak 1500m time do you expect him to be at this age? How much are people required to slow down?

SR9009 is always a possibility.

Definitely an option given GW501516's carcinogenicity. Stacking might be a little tougher but the BP is pretty flimsy so its not unfeasible.

Similar compounds already in use across various european camps. Dibaba and Makhloufi likely included

kickz wrote:

Longevity master wrote:

Wasn't lagat a 3:37 guy in like 1995? almost 20 years later he can still crush 4:00 in the mile, probably 3:50?

Exactly how much slower than his peak 1500m time do you expect him to be at this age? How much are people required to slow down?

Well her ran 3:26 and 3:47 both in 2001, that is not exactly the year where the EPO tests were up to speed so that doesn't help much.

Longevity master wrote:

kickz wrote:

Exactly how much slower than his peak 1500m time do you expect him to be at this age? How much are people required to slow down?

Well her ran 3:26 and 3:47 both in 2001, that is not exactly the year where the EPO tests were up to speed so that doesn't help much.

Wow. Good job on being 100% irrelevent and avoiding my question.

not buying it wrote:

the man is 40 and arguably the strongest he has ever been.

In 2004 he was the favorite to win the 1500 over Hicham El Guerrouj and almost did it. In 2007 he made Kenenisa Bekele look like a college kid in London and went on to win 2 WC golds. He is now a high 12:5x low 13:0x guy with a good kick.

He is not even close to the best he has ever been.

Critical Thinking wrote:

not buying it wrote:

the man is 40 and arguably the strongest he has ever been.

In 2004 he was the favorite to win the 1500 over Hicham El Guerrouj and almost did it. In 2007 he made Kenenisa Bekele look like a college kid in London and went on to win 2 WC golds. He is now a high 12:5x low 13:0x guy with a good kick.

He is not even close to the best he has ever been.

The only time in El G's career when he wasn't the favorite was when Morceli reigned.

Yes Lagat has lots of medals... what does that have to do with doping? Ever heard of hyper-responders? Google "Conte + Kelli White."

Lagat is training for long distances now and still has pop for 4:54. Doped

not buying it wrote:

Lagat is training for long distances now and still has pop for 4:54. Doped

You blew your troll cover here. Lagat is not training for long distance. He's training for 3000/5000m after a lifetime of being the 2nd fastest 1500m runner ever. And 4:54 isn't anything to brag about. That's over 10 seconds slower than what he was capable of in his prime.

kickz wrote:

Longevity master wrote:

Well her ran 3:26 and 3:47 both in 2001, that is not exactly the year where the EPO tests were up to speed so that doesn't help much.

Wow. Good job on being 100% irrelevent and avoiding my question.

Guess it went right over your head. If you are able to full on use EPO for a period of time, isn't it likely that the marks you set during that time would be much faster than the times before and after?

The periof of 1996-2001 was a period of record smashing performance sometimes just within one season. You kind of have to throw that period out and look at the years before it and or after it. If anything is being used now, it is not as good as the pure EPO of the Y2K era. But it may be good enough for a 40 year old to be able to run a 3:50 mile and 7:30 3K.

Is former double world champ Bernard Lagat getting better with age when he outkicks a bunch of Americans in a slow 3k? No. Is the man who once closed the last 800 of a 1500 in 1:46 now a better kicker? No.

There is zero argument that he is better than in his prime. Zero. If you want to say his decline is too slow, then stick with that argument. But he is absolutely declining.

Critical Thinking wrote:

not buying it wrote:

the man is 40 and arguably the strongest he has ever been.

In 2004 he was the favorite to win the 1500 over Hicham El Guerrouj

lol

not buying it wrote:

The only time in El G's career when he wasn't the favorite was when Morceli reigned.

T&FN had Lagat as the favorite going in. They also ranked Lagat number one in the world that year.

And I didn't offer and opinion on whether he was doping or not, just that he wasn't even close to as good as he has been. Using any common definition of "good" that seems like an open-and-shut case.

Longevity master wrote:

kickz wrote:

Wow. Good job on being 100% irrelevent and avoiding my question.

Guess it went right over your head. If you are able to full on use EPO for a period of time, isn't it likely that the marks you set during that time would be much faster than the times before and after?

The periof of 1996-2001 was a period of record smashing performance sometimes just within one season. You kind of have to throw that period out and look at the years before it and or after it. If anything is being used now, it is not as good as the pure EPO of the Y2K era. But it may be good enough for a 40 year old to be able to run a 3:50 mile and 7:30 3K.

No, it didn't go over my head. It was just completely irrelevant. I didn't ask for that explanation. I asked for SECONDS. Nowhere in either post did you manage to provide any amount of seconds. Good job on avoiding the question twice in a row.

Lance Armstrong was a fantastic bicycle racer.