Why are so many posters appalled at Rupp's post-race WO?

I think its cuz it was so awesome that people think its doping. The truth is if you train that hard and run 100+ mpw for years you can do a pretty hard workout 15 min after an all out race because you recover so fast. But most people haven't run 100+ mpw for years and/or haven't tried doing QUALITY post race workouts, as such they think its ludicrous. Personally, I think its great and was inspired though.

I did 100-150 mile weeks for six years. I could never do any sort of interval session after a race. Cool down jogs were difficult enough. I'm not in any way comparing myself to Rupp but having done the sort of mileage he has done makes the post race session he did mind boggling. And that's why so many posters have a hard time believing it.

I remember seeing Rui Silva racing 800m and then hitting the warm-up track for a workout.

I am convinced that athletes who anticipate post-race workouts hold something back in the race. Central governor. This should be studied.

It is just smart planning within a training microcycle.

Salazar's critics need to get over this.

So if you run 100 mile weeks for a few years, you recover real fast from a 2 mile race?

What if you run 200 miles a week?

Mileage is only part of the equation. Rupp does mileage and hard workouts. He has trained himself to do both.

People saying they did high miles and couldn't do workouts after races is because they never tried it and conditioned their body to it.

I doubt Rupp particularly enjoyed or nailed the first workout he ever did after a race.

NotAustin18 wrote:

I think its cuz it was so awesome that people think its doping. The truth is if you train that hard and run 100+ mpw for years you can do a pretty hard workout 15 min after an all out race because you recover so fast. But most people haven't run 100+ mpw for years and/or haven't tried doing QUALITY post race workouts, as such they think its ludicrous. Personally, I think its great and was inspired though.

The truth, eh? How do you know this?

HRE wrote:

I did 100-150 mile weeks for six years. I could never do any sort of interval session after a race. Cool down jogs were difficult enough. I'm not in any way comparing myself to Rupp but having done the sort of mileage he has done makes the post race session he did mind boggling. And that's why so many posters have a hard time believing it.

Maybe Rupp's focus on quality vs. quantity is precisely why he can handle an interval session after a race better than you can.

runner who professes wrote:

I am convinced that athletes who anticipate post-race workouts hold something back in the race. Central governor. This should be studied.

I'm in agreement.

HRE wrote:

I did 100-150 mile weeks for six years. I could never do any sort of interval session after a race. Cool down jogs were difficult enough. I'm not in any way comparing myself to Rupp but having done the sort of mileage he has done makes the post race session he did mind boggling. And that's why so many posters have a hard time believing it.

What events did you do HRE? Weren't you a marathoner? I think it would be a lot harder to recover quickly if 1) the race was longer than 2 miles or 5K and 2) you're not used to doing lots of hard intervals.

I find it strange that Alberto once stated that Galen and Mo trained so hard at times that' they needed to be helped off the track. Now Galen is doing crazy hard workouts after an AR. Doesn't add up for me.

I don't get people either. Rupp isn't the first to do this, nor the first American. I remember reading that Jim Ryun did workouts the same day of a race to increase volume. Although I believe they we're am workouts prior to a pm race. His post race workouts do not appall me because my father had me doing this in hs. He trained me Jim Ryun style and I'd often run quarters after races. It's a great workout and something I believe got me to where I was mentally tough on top of physical ness. In fact I ran ten quarters after setting a 1,500m pr which was the states best for that year.

Must just be short sighted ness to not support this.

High school kids come back and run another race within an hour or two of an all-out race. I don't think it's that outrageous that Rupp is capable of it. I'm more interested in the why.

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

It is just smart planning within a training microcycle.

Salazar's critics need to get over this.

It's overtraining. Salazar is a clueless shit of a coach with a few genetically elite athletes in his stable. His training destroyed Adam G.

I didn't only run marathons. I was absolutely destroyed by pretty much every race I ran. I've had trouble walking back to my car after 5 kms. I had years when we'd be running hard intervals on the track 4-5 times a week. I'm not making any claims about Rupp's post race sessions other than saying they seem incredible to me and evidently they do to many others.

Workouts after races have been used by coaches for years. Joe Newton regularly has his guys run interval workouts after 2 and 3 mile time trials in cross country. His guys routinely run 100+ per week with as many as 4-5 quality sessions in a week. Everyone says he pushes them too hard while he keeps winning and his guys stay healthy. There are a lot of very talented runners out there (and on this board) that get by with mostly mileage and get their panties in a bunch any time too much quality (intervals) is introduced. Just because you have the talent to do well on it doesn't mean it's right. Rupp is one of the few exceptionally talented guys that is also not afraid to push the limits in workouts.

we b cookin bacon wrote:

rupp-certified saladbar wrote:

It is just smart planning within a training microcycle.

Salazar's critics need to get over this.

It's overtraining. Salazar is a clueless shit of a coach with a few genetically elite athletes in his stable. His training destroyed Adam G.

Voucher was never cut out for Al Sal's program. He would have been much better off if he had stayed under Wetmore's tutelage.

Running 8:07 and then a 4:01 1600 with no rest is equivalent to about a 12:40 5000. Add the rest and the other miles and it adds up to a very hard day. Dude is in great shape, however be got there.