For those that have had the surgery, how big were the incisions? I'm still a little surprised at the length of mine.
For those that have had the surgery, how big were the incisions? I'm still a little surprised at the length of mine.
How many of you had any hip flexor strains etc. either with this injury or prior to it? I remember having some problems in a few games that I played in a few weeks prior. Having said that, I also had a weak ankle... just wondering...
Johnny,
I been following this thread from the beginning, and have got a great deal out of your posts. It seems that you are finally figuring out why it is taking so long for you to recover and I wish you luck.
thanks man
i imagine the lyme has only made the recoup more lengthy...i got bit while hiking and swimming as my sports hernia rehab exercise. i think once i get over the lyme i will be good to go with the groin.
I haven't posted here for about six months.
After a running injury I was convinced that I had a sports hernia. I had all the symptoms listed on this site: pain when doing any kind of abdominal exercises. The location of the injury was six inches below my belly button about three inches to the left. It felt extremely deep and I Coudn't really put a specific location on the injury.
In any case, my injury has healed on its own. It took four and a half months for the pain to subside. I am currently kickboxing two hours a day, five days a week. I am doing sprints and ab workouts with no pain at all. It's as if the injury never existed.
I wanted to post here to calm anyone down who is freaking out and jumping to conclusion. Again, I was convinced it was a sport hernia and I even scheduled an appointment with Meyer.
If anyone has any questions you can email me at
Hi all,
Has anyone out there successfully treated si joint dysfunction/pain secondary to having a sports hernia? Particularly, after having sports hernia surgery? The options for treatment I'm aware of include chiropractic adjustment, prolotherapy, plain old PT, rolfing and of course some combination of all of these.
I'm now around 10 weeks post-op for SH and am still experiencing pain in my lower back, hips, and groin. I'm wondering if this could still be due to the surgery, referred pain from my si joint, or my hips.
I was making great leaps of improvement until about week 7 post-op, and now feel worse than before surgery. I was up to running 2 miles every other day and weight training, and now have had to halt everything. Pain while walking, standing, sitting...you name it....Very frustrating...Kind of embarrassed that a few of my earlier posts were so optimistic after surgery....Any info would be helpful...Chris
CRNN,
I haven't had surgery -- experiencing groin pain since September -- but I am experiencing hip pain now, possibly hip flexor issues. And my MRI seemed to indicate FAI/hip impingement was possible, ultimately resulting in a labral tear if untreated. As you might have read, labral hip tears are associated with sports hernias in many cases as noted in this article.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-137720089.html
My MRI showed my SI looked good, but I can't be sure there isn't a problem. I'm going to see a rolfing therapist Wednesday.
Having said all that, you might need more time to heal. Everyone is different and I'm sure some folks here who have had the surgery can give you some good advice.
eric,
My first bout with AP did heal just fine once I took about four months off from soccer. The second one, five years later, has not gotten better after 20 months, so today I saw Meyers again and Wednesday I go under the knife. Infortunately, he thinks I need the adductor release also, which is the only part I am a bit fearful of. Anybody out there who has had that?
Jeff
eric r wrote:
I haven't posted here for about six months.
After a running injury I was convinced that I had a sports hernia. I had all the symptoms listed on this site: pain when doing any kind of abdominal exercises. The location of the injury was six inches below my belly button about three inches to the left. It felt extremely deep and I Coudn't really put a specific location on the injury.
In any case, my injury has healed on its own. It took four and a half months for the pain to subside. I am currently kickboxing two hours a day, five days a week. I am doing sprints and ab workouts with no pain at all. It's as if the injury never existed.
I wanted to post here to calm anyone down who is freaking out and jumping to conclusion. Again, I was convinced it was a sport hernia and I even scheduled an appointment with Meyer.
If anyone has any questions you can email me at
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Trust your surgeon implicitly - or don't let him/her cut ya (my prior posts). The adductor release is part of William's 'revision'. Trust him, go with someone else or do nothing...
I will say this Eric - watch the kicking routines. I think (coupled with the rest of my insane athletic lifestyle) competition level 360 degree cresent kicks didn't do my hips much good. And if you look at Bill Wallace or Chuck Norris now - both artificial hips. Dancers, martial artists - tennis players - all great candidates for hip debility whether AP or labrial tears or sacral/lower lumbar complaint (just be patient on that; it will fade as compartment firms)...
And on the hip tears vs. AP debate - AP surgery is *much* less invasive; it is not joint surgery. Going into the joint - that's the real deal. Many athletic doc's now advocate waiting out/working around hip tears (if you can: look at Agassi; back/hip whatever - no surgery)...
Please get the Labrum tear properly diagnosed. I have had a SH tear on one side that was repaired in 2005. Subsequent wet MRI's showed labrum tearing on both sides. Have the new femoral neck debridement procedure done. I did on the non SH side, last January. It is a great procedure that only a few places/surgeons perform. Dr. Guanche did mine in Van Nuys ca. I am going to have the other side done this summer. Please check out my old threads for my history if you are so inclined. Dr. Meyers wnated me to do it in PA. but i chose to get it done back home. Now if I can only get my knees to heal. Happy recovery to all.
johnny, I've been reading all of the posts. Glad to hear that you are really beginning to unravel what has been going on with you.
I'm going along with my brother to Munich when he gets surgery with Dr. Muschaweck this summer. I realize that all of you who went were not going as tourists, but my bro and I will have a few active days in Munich before his surgery. As tourists, what should we see/do in Munich (I don't drink/liver problem)? Where would be a fun, but economical place to stay in Munich before the surgery? Thanks in advance. Good luck to all suffering from this hideous injury.
riverlife,
thanks for the kind words. in fact, my groin is feeling much better each week but i am dealing withoverall deconditioning and shoulder problems. lyme caused it? lyme caused delay in healing? probably.
funny because i was a river sports addict when i got hurt, you too?
in munich, i stayed in the holiday inn (?) at 33 hochstrasse in haidhausen district. it may cost more than some, perhaps, but equivalent to in the usa. down the road a bit is the paulaner house (killer food) and lowenbrau haus (more food).
go to the chinese pagoda in the englischer garten. see 1860 play a game if possible, or even bayern munich.
viktualianmarkt is fun. there are lots of museums. or go see neufanschtein (spelling?) outside of the city. starnberg is cool too (where my surgeries were done). best thing to do is mill about the beer gardens and meet people. you will find many a good people to meet. they will ask you if you like gw bush. your answer may determine how far your conversation goes.
lots of people like hoffbrauhaus for eating. be sure to eat ice cream from a place right nearby the hoffbrauhaus.
munich, overall, is a great city, you will enjoy it. i don't think there is as much fun to the west of the city center as near city center, along isar.
i prolly won't post here for a while.
i have a blog re sports hernias, but i am stopping it due to all the info on this thread, and because my little story is basically over as far as sports hernias go, i think. if anyone needs to get in touch with me, feel free to email at mystery(dot)zombie(at)hotmail(dot)com
johnny
Hi everyone,
I had both sides and the adductor realeases done by Meyers yesterday, and I was one of the lucky ones. I felt well enough to check out and go the hotel with my wife-even stopped in the bar for a beer. Didn't need the percoset, but I may pop one tomight. Was able to walk a good mile in Philly this morning, then my wife drove the 4 1/2 hours home. It was helpful to have her there to help with shoes, socks car doors etc. For anyone by themselves, staying overnight would certainly be easier.
Meyers said I had two particularly large tears, so I think this was the approach I needed- Right now I wish I hadn't waited so long. We'll see how the rehab goes, but it would be great to be able to run again. I'm an old guy, so it may take awhile.
Willg, I forget to ask Meyers about bike riding, but i will when I follow up with them. that was the one activity I was able to do over the last year, and I realized that my knees will last longer (and my feet moved faster when I was I was still playing soccer.) I think it would be smart to keep mixing biking in with my running, which is only recreational anyway-I gave up races because I only like the trails and my knee can't handle the downhills.
Thanks again to everyone for all the good info. Good luck to Johnny-I hope you are finally on the mend. (I also like water sports, and kayaking, canoing and windurfing have been out for a year and a half)
If anyone is headed to Meyers soon, I might have a few more recommendations for you-especially about the hospital afterwards.
Jeff
Jeff/Johnny:
That is good news. I'm still sticking with therapy without surgery since I seem to be showing some improvement. I probably will be heartbroken later, but I'll see what happens. I still have an appointment with a hip specialist next week to address some other concerns.
I tried rolfing yesterday and I'm pretty happy with that so far. Pretty sore, but otherwise good.
good luck
den
CRNN,
I've been in the same boat as you with the post op pain. There are two reasons for your low back pain. With a sports hernia your core and particulary abs atrophy, especially after surgery, and this causes low back pain. If this is the case, you need to trengthen the low back, abs, and entire core. More likely though is that you have a hip problem such as an impingment with a labral tear which would account for the hip pain. SI pain is also very common with this injury.
Hi;
I had my surgery yesterday with Meyers as well. I asked him about biking and he said after 3-4 weeks. He used to discourage it but now thinks it is alright.
Janet,
That might have been you who went in right after me. (One side, with adductor release?) I couldn't understand why biking would be bad once initial healing has taken place, since that was almost the only activity that didn't irritate my SH. (Unless I really pounded the steep hills)
Did he tell you to walk a mile every day until you start the rehab? I thought I read that somewhere but I can't find it in any emails from Marcia, and the six week protocol doesn't mention it?
Anybody else out there with any post-operative biking experience?
Jeff
Justintherunner,
The back and hip pain are really difficult to parsel out in that it could just be referred pain from either site or two individual pathologies. In addition, the hip pain could be referred pain from the mesh site since many nerves travel through the tensor fascia lata (TFL).
I've noticed a slew of trigger points in my and therefore have been doing ITB stretches and lying on a tennis ball over various gluteal muscles (gluteus minimus, TFL, piriformis, hammies)-this has helped. I've also taken two weeks off from any physical activity. Though the adductors are still aching. Did your hip ever feel better after resting for awhile?
Another thing I've considered is that many of my various aches and pains could relate to compensatory and protective muscle tightening in response to stress and pain post-surgery.
For me anyway, the take home message is to wait and see. My surgeon said that at 10 weeks I'm still in the normal range for diffuse pain upon exertion. I just have to stop reading academic journal articles that report recovery 4-weeks post-surgery. Thanks for your input. Hope your recovery is going well.
PS. Johnny-thanks for all your information on both websites, it's been a tremendous help.
Yes a mile a day. My incision was bleeding and he still wants me to do the walk. This is totally different than Dr. Brown who did my first surgery and told me to completly
rest for 2 weeks
I had a bilateral done by Dr. Brown, with a fair amount of complications on one side, and his advice to me was to not over exert myself immediately after the surgery, but don't lie around and do nothing. I was walking/shuffling around the day after surgery and took regular walks up to the two weeks when I started PT. He strongly advised starting PT at two weeks.