Washington State Meet

Not me wrote:

GSL Fan wrote:

I wrote two coaches for NC (Boys), because they have 2 head coaches... Coach Long and Coach Knight. Knight does the training and Long gets get out..

Is Coach Knight related to Katie Knight, also formerly of NC?

What do you think?

Coach Knight's daughter is Katie Knight. He also has a son that is a freshman this year.

The Northwestener wrote:

Gig should count their blessings with Mahmoud Moussa transferring over. This would be a very different story if he were not there.

Not really. They would have still dominated without Moussa. He's not even their #1.

Keepin it Real wrote:

The Northwestener wrote:

Gig should count their blessings with Mahmoud Moussa transferring over. This would be a very different story if he were not there.

Not really. They would have still dominated without Moussa. He's not even their #1.

Not even close to their #1, but his absence would add about 40 seconds to their team time. They'd probably still have won WA State, but would likely not be in this discussion as an all-time elite team.

They have two transfers. One was Moussa and the other was from Eastlake (#6 at state if I remember correctly). Without those two transfers, their number 5 is waaaaay back. They may or may not have won 4a state, yet alone be in the discussion for qualifying for NXN.

Actually their #7 (jack shields) was only 9 seconds behind Redmonds #5 and 6 seconds behind CV's #5...easy math to see they still would have won handily without either transfer after going 1-2-3 and their #4 being close to the other teams #1 runners. But yes, they are still fortunate to have them, as they are fortunate to have all the talented runners they do just like every other team that has talent.

WA Observer wrote:

They have two transfers. One was Moussa and the other was from Eastlake (#6 at state if I remember correctly). Without those two transfers, their number 5 is waaaaay back. They may or may not have won 4a state, yet alone be in the discussion for qualifying for NXN.

If it hadn't been them, it would've been someon else. GH can reload faster than a 16 year old.

I entered a 6 way meet (using state meet results without GH's two transfers) and here are the final scores.

NC: 51

GH: 62

Kam: 76

NH: 80

Mt. Spo: 98

Red: 104

So GH is still very competitive without the transfers, just not dominate. It would be close for them to make it to NXN with Central Catholic added in the mix. They may have the edge over CC.

I stand corrected from my original statement.

Thats cool and all but it does not really matter. Those transfers are part of the team, and thats how it should be scored.

I agree with you. It was more of the facts against my own argument that I was posting.

Gig Harbor 2013 will not be remembered for those transfers, they will be remembered as a whole team. And like has been stated before, possibly one of the greatest of all time. Considering they beat the team time (at state) of what many consider the greatest all time team in high school history (1993 Mead). Even with the 5th a bit back, they have the front quartet to be in that conversation.

I'm excited to see how they do at NXN. I'm hoping that Washington can bring home another NXN title.

WA Observer wrote:

I'm excited to see how they do at NXN. I'm hoping that Washington can bring home another NXN title.

It'll be no contest. GH will dominate at NXN assuming they run consistent with their recent performances.

The Harrier wrote:

WA Observer wrote:

I'm excited to see how they do at NXN. I'm hoping that Washington can bring home another NXN title.

It'll be no contest. GH will dominate at NXN assuming they run consistent with their recent performances.

"Domination" is a relative term. If GH and NC duplicate their state performances then I would say GH will win with breathing room, not dominate, since IMHO GH did not dominate NC at state.

GSL Fan wrote:

And in regard to students choosing NC, the boundaries in Spokane are very weird. Over the past 6 years, NC (Boys) have only had 1, maybe 2, athletes opt into NC while living in another school's boundaries. There are some that have moved out of NC boundaries, but kept their students there. The one that I know of for sure is not a varsity runner, and may never be.

Oh, ok, IDK you were referencing girls team coaches as well as boys. I think saying CV is good at recruiting (seemingly bc they have large #s) and Shadle is good at community (bc they seem fliendly) etc may be generalizations. However generalizations are often correct and perhaps you are spot on with your observations.

Regarding students choosing NC, I would argue that your numbers are incorrect. I have heard a range of reports ranging from opponents saying NC clearly recruits runners from other middle schools and I have heard from strong NC alumni/allies that NC would never stoop to such a level. IDK what is correct. But I can say that I have a friend who works for the school district who says they occasionally see paperwork regarding NC runners and choosing NC even though it's outside of their boundary. Many more than 1-2 in the past 6 years. I just googled addresses of NC runners and compared it to the district boundary and a number of them do seem to be outside NC boundaries. Of course IDK what that means, perhaps their older siblings went to NC or parents teach their and so they are grandfathered in, but it was surprising to see. IDK how I feel about choosing schools either, it seems like a parent should be able to choose a school that will fit well with their child, on the other hand when it comes to sports and keeping the playing field level, that may be another thing altogether.

Maybe I'm not reading this right.

Are you saying that Gig beat MEAD's team time at State? I highly doubt this since in 93' it was a 3 mile.

And to whomever made the argument about it being the deepest NTN field - I disagree with your point about the winner.

Just because the field is stacked - this does not make the winner "the best ever".

A few years ago we saw the best high school mile field ever. Bar none. Can't argue it. But the winner of that field most certainly was not better than Alan Webb.

I get your point. It carries weight, but it's also flawed.

WARunningHistorian wrote:

The Harrier wrote:

It'll be no contest. GH will dominate at NXN assuming they run consistent with their recent performances.

"Domination" is a relative term. If GH and NC duplicate their state performances then I would say GH will win with breathing room, not dominate, since IMHO GH did not dominate NC at state.

I don't think it will be close at all. I would bet money that GH puts 25-30 pts between NC.

WARunningHistorian wrote:

The Harrier wrote:

It'll be no contest. GH will dominate at NXN assuming they run consistent with their recent performances.

"Domination" is a relative term. If GH and NC duplicate their state performances then I would say GH will win with breathing room, not dominate, since IMHO GH did not dominate NC at state.

This.

The power merge of the top 22 teams at the state meet had the score 69-87 in favor of Gig Harbor... that's actually not a lot of breathing room at all. And switch out most of those weaker teams for teams like Central Catholic/Summit/Sheldon from Oregon; Capital/Mountain View from Idaho; Laramie/Rock Springs from Wyoming; and Bozeman from Montana - all of which would be competitive with the top half of the WA power merge - and the scores could potentially get even closer. Gig Harbor is certainly the favorite, but they by no means are looking like they will dominate North Central, who have a knack of running well in Boise ... the NXN Northwest title is still up for grabs.

WA State CC Coach wrote:

WARunningHistorian wrote:

"Domination" is a relative term. If GH and NC duplicate their state performances then I would say GH will win with breathing room, not dominate, since IMHO GH did not dominate NC at state.

I don't think it will be close at all. I would bet money that GH puts 25-30 pts between NC.

For whatever it's worth, given the field (though I don't know exactly who is making up each team), I have the scores projected as follows:

1. Gig Harbor 62

2. North Central 82

3. Central Catholic 162

4. Kamiakin 166

5. Nathan Hale 207

6. Bozeman 246

But when you consider North Central's history in the NXN series and their experience at Eagle Island (running there twice a year, every year, for the past seven years), and not quite the opposite for Gig Harbor (they made it out of the region in 2011, but didn't have a good race at nationals that year, and didn't have a good race at NXN-NW in 2012, though they did run well at Bob Firman earlier this year) - North Central's top 5 averaging more than 5 races at Eagle Island to date, compared to less than 3 for Gig Harbor, a total of 26 races for their top five and 29 for their top six compared to Gig Harbor's 14 and 17 ... you have to think they have a pretty good chance at making the race closer than you'd think.

I'd say it's more likely the scores are within 10 points, than the difference being greater than 30 points, though either is possible.

funny thread.

2 words

CBA.

think about that.

silly wabbit wrote:

funny thread.

2 words

CBA.

think about that.

... hello, troll.

Troll, did you know that that is actually an abbreviation of three words?

I'll counter that with one word: Arcadia

I'll also counter that with two words: American Fork

And I'll even counter that with four words: Fayetteville-Manlius or North Central

hyphenated words count as one, right?