I re-read the New Yorker article and saw something remarkable. Anyone notice the following?
Reality in perspective wrote:
When we hear things like "Kip isn't talking", it is 100% false- he has always been open and forthright. We have grilled him and his family on many of the issues raised here on Lets Run.
For those that claim that the evidence that Kip has presented is not sufficient enough are failing to understand one thing- that is you CAN NOT prove a negative.
Let me sum up this absurdity- long after the issue was DEAD, you are STILL here in a forum that Kip DOESN'T even use, relentlessly bashing him over UNCONFIRMED claims from amateur races from YEARS ago, when you DON'T know him and have NEVER even questioned him!!
Definitely. If I were kip litton id admit my past and in the future train 60+MPW and try to race again. I bet he might be able to run under 3:30 if he did this and possibly break 19 or 20 for a 5k and win some age 50 awards
new yorker comparison wrote:
"Fair is fair" in the original thread. Same use of "- ".
Anyways, everyone makes mistakes. If someone did cheat, fess up, ask for forgiveness, rebuild, and start racing again. You may end up better in the long run.
KIp Twitton wrote:
I've run over 700 races, never been DQ'd, to be DQ'd just once even for a technicality however innocent would be a crushing experience, to be DQ'd more than once over cheating is just incredible.
Any alleged "supporters" of his need to consider the following, there is loyalty then there is idiotic refusal to see the truth and you help nobody by prolonging this fantasy.
Combine that with the placement of all caps and the word absurdity...
new yorker comparison wrote:
How often do people on this board or anywhere use "dashes" "-" in their sentences? The above post is full of them.
There are two parts of this that keep nagging at me. First, all of this was about his kid and raising charity money. If you look at his results, he mainly rain in Michigan until the end of 2009 and then pretty much only ran everywhere else BUT Michigan. How much did that cost to travel around the country? I can't imagine the amount of money would be worth the donations so if that's not the case and it's so important race locally and donate what you would have spent.
Keep in mind that he's too injured to run a 10 miler near his home that he allegedly entered (paid for) and was coincidentally DQ'ed at the year before.
The second part is this, and that when he started racing out of state is when the allegations started, Crim being end of 2009 and it's after Crim he decides to race every but near home. Almost like racing far away so no one would know him on the course. (I realize he had one or two before, but if you check athlinks it's obvious)
Keep in mind that he ran the same race according to their results on the same course in 1:09:23 in 2003, 1:09:08 in 2004, 1:10:26 in 2005, 1:06:41 in 2006, 1:07:32 in 2007 and 1:06:18 in 2008. Then, the following year he runs 9 minutes and 23 seconds faster, about 56 seconds per mile!
It's highly plausible the 0bama administration quietly has had Kip consulting on transparency issues and most recently advising on the 0bamacare rollout (due to his extensive website experience).
Wow. This is starting to anger me. Before, I cared very little about the Kip Litton story and paid almost no attention to it but 100% know he cheated.
Now there are deniers years after the fact?
I wonder if it is reputation.com. It's almost laughable. The guy made up a full marathon and even created a website for it. How is that defensible?
Lots of people have offered to watch him race - he's never done it - but now people are saying, he's racing in secret.
Lastly, to "Reality in perspective". If you are a real person (i've pasted your post below), please tell Kip I'll pay $1000 for him to run a marathon in 2014 as long as he starts and runs an official 26.2 marathon and as long I am told what marathon it will be at least 14 days in advance and am allowed to walk/ride next to Kip and film the whole thing.
I'll pay an extra $1000 if he breaks 3:30.