Biggest cheater of all time in my book. Her world records are a joke.
Biggest cheater of all time in my book. Her world records are a joke.
Must be small book.
She never tested positive , zero.
She and the group of women she trained with were not caught up with so called standards in training and racing of the day. The crazy concoctions coach Ma was brewing up , worm fungus etc . for them , tested out as nothing on a banned list.
Star TV did a documentary on her , excellent , pointed out they had no idea about drugs , they trained hard, period.
Stupid comments wrote:
they trained hard, period.
Gave me a good laugh right before dinner, thanks.
No one else has trained hard before or since.
Yeah she was dirty but do you really think Defar and Dibaba are clean???
Sure we all love to harp on the 1990s EPO times, but not much has changed.
She was almost as doped as Lagat which is pretty crazy if you think about it!
She had strongly denied being a PED user and her word has generally been accepted.
Middle Distance Coach wrote:
She had strongly denied being a PED user and her word has generally been accepted.
Lol. By who?
http://running.competitor.com/2011/05/news/the-top-10-running-doping-scandals-of-all-time_28190There is a 100% chance the magical 1993 Summer of Chinese records was ill-gotten. 100%.
Any ranking of suspicious sh!t in T&F starts and ends with Chinese female distance runners.
If I were Dibaba and sure I was clean, I would sue the IAAF and make them defend that garbage in court. Because they wouldn't be able to.
The article is pure speculation , actually 100 % BS not a shred of evidence to back up the claim that they doped. It been reviewed and researched extensively over the years and to date nothing to tie the Chinese woman to drug use.
Training hard is in the eye of beholder , ask the anybody who went and trained with mexican athletes in their heyday , all came back " I thought I trained hard , these guys are killing it "
Using the same premise you could say the same of all Ethiopian women given their domination of distance running.
Truthful ? wrote:
nothing to tie the Chinese woman to drug use.
Their coach had a load of athletes come up bad for EPO in 2000.
Truthful ? wrote:
Using the same premise you could say the same of all Ethiopian women given their domination of distance running.
They haven't taken down world records in heats and then again in the finals. They've their best outside of their home country and for a long period of time. Unlike the Ma's women. And their men are just as good. Unlike thte Chinese women.
Stupid comments wrote:
She never tested positive , zero.
Marion Jones never tested positive either, she must be totally legit as well right?
Hmm , Ma was not coaching at that time , Im sure EPO found its way into China at that point no question. Results though didn't show women running at the elite level of the past. Tough to tie that together.
Ma never coached the men , men didn't have the same interest level or opportunity. Ethiopia men led the development followed by the women.
Men in China even to this day do not embrace distance running.
Her big records were likely short of the true distance.
If I remember correctly, her 29:31 broke the previous record by 40 seconds or so. The way it was done, supposedly, was quite ridiculous.
15:05 first 5000
14:26 second 5000 (WR at the time and #6 unofficially on the all-time list!)
8:07 for the last 3000 (another WR en route)
3:59 for the last 1500.
It's strange IAAF doesn't have the balls to simply erase it, it's a total farce. No video documentation, just a few short clips here and there.
D3 + K2 wrote:
Her big records were likely short of the true distance.
If I remember correctly, her 29:31 broke the previous record by 40 seconds or so. The way it was done, supposedly, was quite ridiculous.
15:05 first 5000
14:26 second 5000 (WR at the time and #6 unofficially on the all-time list!)
8:07 for the last 3000 (another WR en route)
3:59 for the last 1500.
It's strange IAAF doesn't have the balls to simply erase it, it's a total farce. No video documentation, just a few short clips here and there.
They ran the whole distance. Omega timing was there from Switzerland.
The problem with the short distance theory is that the men didn't run crazy times. Why would China dope the women, but not the men? I don't think the times are legit, but it's interesting.
I would go as far as to say a short track. Anyone think someone couldn't build a 380 meter track and say its legit? Is the track still there?
Then again there always was the conspiracy theory that Stanford was short. I mean who could believe the countries best could run well in perfect conditions with multiple pacers?
The China thing... Who knows.
The Animal Within wrote:
I would go as far as to say a short track. Anyone think someone couldn't build a 380 meter track and say its legit? Is the track still there?
Then again there always was the conspiracy theory that Stanford was short. I mean who could believe the countries best could run well in perfect conditions with multiple pacers?
The China thing... Who knows.
What is the theory about Stanford being short and when?
* wrote: No one else has trained hard before or since.
Ummm, eva heard of the Nyke Organ Projekt? WC and Oly gold metal winning.
The Animal Within wrote:
I would go as far as to say a short track. Anyone think someone couldn't build a 380 meter track and say its legit? Is the track still there?
Then again there always was the conspiracy theory that Stanford was short. I mean who could believe the countries best could run well in perfect conditions with multiple pacers?
The China thing... Who knows.
Workers Stadium is still there. Nobody seems to remember that they used the same track for the 1990 Asian Games without any off the charts runs.
You need think about what 20m short means. A 46.0 second man would run 43.7 on 380m track, and yet the Chinese 400m record of 45.25 was set in Osaka in 2001 and not in Beijing in 1993.
Tao Li ran his lifetime 100m best of 10.24 with a 2.0 wind behind him at those National Games. If the track had been 5% short as you suggest, his 10.24 would have been worth only 10.77, and yet with less favorable wind, he had also posted times of 10.47 and 10.53 at the Seoul Olympics, so it's not an unreasonable performance.
push it to the limit wrote:
The problem with the short distance theory is that the men didn't run crazy times. Why would China dope the women, but not the men? I don't think the times are legit, but it's interesting.
Male hormones have a much more pronounced effect on women than on men when it comes to doping and sport performance.