Kenenisa Bekele has run under 13:00 for 5000m 21 times

The Rocket.. wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

geb in his '98 prime was ~

51.0 / 1'47.2 ->

3'29.9

7'19.2

12'36.0

26'16.9

in '03 more like ~

52.0 / 1'48.9 ->

3'32.6

7'23.5

12'41.6

26'24.5

he'd lost a lotta speed by '03 ( maybe 1s over 400 ) but his endurance had improved so he coud approach his peak 10k but still somewhat shy

Ventolin those numbers are complete bs. Geb never ran any of those times listed. How would you know what at 13:50-12:58 10k split is equivalent to

you obviously have no clue about geb

he ran a 26'30 in '03 after wc where he ran last 600 in 1'23 - that 55s pace for 1.5 laps

at even pace that is alone close to 26'25

in '98 he ran 3'31.7i, which is still 2nd fastest ever

find any guy here who doubts that is not worth 3'29 outdoors

as for his 5k wr - he ran it badly & slowed too much in 4th km & needed a blistering 2'27 or 2'28 finish to snatch 12'39

if he'd kept it going at even pace thruout he wouda been coupla secs quicker - 12'36/12'37

as for his 10k wr, he called it "easy" & was aiming to just take a handful of secs off tergat's 26'27wr, so he coud come back in '99 & take another few secs off it & claim another wr bonus

in the end he never got anothere serious shot at a fast 10k for 5y

In a perfect race he coudave gone 12:36/26:19!!!!

Had he switched to the roads a few years earlier 2:01

is conceivable!!!!

Interesting .... Makes the whole "the mid-late 90's were the greatest doping era of all-time" comments seem, at best, a little misplaced.

damnKB wrote:

Amazing, eh? A little more luck and he possibly would've broken 13:00 for 5000m twice in the one race. :)

nah nah wrote:

Physics Man wrote:

You do not appear to understand the meaning of the word, 'physics'.

Based on what? You're wrong, but go ahead and explain why you feel the way you do.

Go ahead and show us all the "physics equations that can tell you what thats equal to evened out."

It is a cool statistic but it is BLATANTLY obvious that Bekele and Geb were doped to the gills in their prime. Running consistent world record times without competition. WTF people. They're both phonies.

Sure Geb ran the equivalent of a 3:31 outdoors, but by the time outdoor season rolled around he changed his focus to the 10k and 5k and thus no longer had that 3:29 speed. I would guess (much like Rupp this season) he would have actually lost a few seconds outdoors due to focusing on endurance (so more like 3:33)

Bottom line, there was no time when Geb was in both 3:29 and 26:22 shape at the same time so your calculations are significantly off.

Considering Geb just ran with the worlds best runners for 12 miles of a half marathon 20 years after his first WC in 1993, it makes sense that he would have been in his 10k prime 10 years ago (the midpoint of his elite career).

While Geb may have lost a step or two in his 1500/5k ability by 2003, I believe he was right at his peak in 2003.

Unfortunately for Geb (who I agree is still in the conversation for GOAT) he got beat by a superior 10,000 m runner in Kenenisa Bekele that day in Paris.

asdfasdasd wrote:

It is a cool statistic but it is BLATANTLY obvious that Bekele and Geb were doped to the gills in their prime. Running consistent world record times without competition. WTF people. They're both phonies.

That is not a good indicator.

Physics Man wrote:

nah nah wrote:

Based on what? You're wrong, but go ahead and explain why you feel the way you do.

Go ahead and show us all the "physics equations that can tell you what thats equal to evened out."

You've never taken an aerodynamics class have you?

nah nah wrote:

Physics Man wrote:

Go ahead and show us all the "physics equations that can tell you what thats equal to evened out."

You've never taken an aerodynamics class have you?

Incorrect.

Now, go ahead. We are waiting.

At first glance, 21 does not sound like a lot, but when you consider you are only in your prime for 8 years at best, that would mean for 8 years you were running 2.5 sub-13s per year. Excluding the 5k rounds run in an Olympic or WC year, the average long distance runner will only run 3 5ks in a year, which means KB almost ran sub-13 every time he ran a 5k.

i assume you mean 3'29

no

you have no idea whether he changed focus when moving to outdoors

my belief is that he ran that 3'31i off distance training as it came the week after he ran 7'26i WR

no

they are not comparable

rupp ran 7'30i, probably = to a 7'26 outdoors

no way he did this off 1500 training

rupp was almost certainly carrying some chronic low grade injury thruout outdoor season as he ran nothing approaching a 7'26 calibre from 3 - 10k

nonsense

find any serious poster here who doubts geb coudn't have gone 3'29 on his 26'22 day

you realise mo, a likely inferior runner overall, went 3'28 off 5k/10k training ???

wrong again

those 2 aren't best 1/2 M'ers in the world

they maya been good for mid-59 on a flat course in good weather

there are currently, probably 1/2 to a dozen guys faster than them over 1/2 M

that means your justification of his 10k prime 10y ago is baseless

eh ???

you think going from possible 3'29 to 3'32 is losing "a step or two" ???

TrackCoach wrote:

At first glance, 21 does not sound like a lot,

First, a glance doesn't give you a sound.

Second, 21 does sound like a lot.

I don't know if I have raced any distance 21 times, let alone at a world class level or near PR level.

Woodstock wrote:

The rule of thumb is that the more zeros the bigger the barrier.

OK. So wake me up when he goes under 0:00.00. Heck, I'd even settle for 10:00.00

TrackCoach wrote:

At first glance, 21 does not sound like a lot, but when you consider you are only in your prime for 8 years at best, that would mean for 8 years you were running 2.5 sub-13s per year. Excluding the 5k rounds run in an Olympic or WC year, the average long distance runner will only run 3 5ks in a year, which means KB almost ran sub-13 every time he ran a 5k.

6 times in 2006 alone. As many as Lagat has in his career and more than the combined totals for all but 5 countries.

Do u think Geb could have run 7:19 for 3k? Komens 7:20.67 is ridiculous and in my opinion the best WR! I have plugged his time into 3-4 different pace calculators and all of them came up with 3:56/mile. He did run 7:58 for a full 2 miles. That day he was in a league by himself when he ran 7:20. Geb ran 7:25 as his best. El Guerrouj ran 7:23. Komen ran 7:24.9 indoors.

Physics Man wrote:

nah nah wrote:

You've never taken an aerodynamics class have you?

Incorrect.

Now, go ahead. We are waiting.

No, you have obviously not taken an aerodynamics class if you are still asking.

Where do I start?

You obviously don't know as much as you think you do.

1. Galen Rupp was clearly focusing on the mile distance indoors this year. His ability to run a fast 3000 makes sense when you consider he is a 10k specialist (the mile race and 3000m race are very similar). Geb most certainly had a similar approach.

2. Many serious posters would doubt that Geb would have maintained his 3:29 ability once he started focusing on the 10k.

3. Your analysis of Mo Farah is somewhat true. Geb is a better runner, however Mo has superior speed although not quite the same 10k/5k ability as Mo. But to say Geb>Mo therefore he must be a better miler is poor logic.

I do enjoy reading your posts Ventolin. They are fun, although you might try to state your case without degrading them. :)

nah nah wrote:

Physics Man wrote:

Incorrect.

Now, go ahead. We are waiting.

No, you have obviously not taken an aerodynamics class if you are still asking.

That's what I thought.

How does it feel to be naked in front of everyone?

lol this is hilarious.

Guy claims to be a physics expert and somehow he can prove using physics can explain how 3:32 on a banked 200m track is work 3:29 on a flat 400 m track.

The bank actually makes the runner faster and preserves speed better than a flat track.

The reason people don't run faster indoors isn't because of physics its because the Olympics are run outdoor and track is primarily an outdoor sport. Therefore most athletes choose to focus on outdoor and peak for that.