Could the Oklahoma State athletic dept. scandal affect Cowboys' NCAA XC championships?

Death penalty.

These things impact an entire Athletic Dept, and Institution. Expect a new President, Chancellor, AD, Coaches, T. Boone.

This was the first thought that popped into my head too. If the allegations end up being true, I would imagine sanctions would be imposed on the entire athletic department.

Anyone have any firsthand experience with this kind of thing? Having a team at your school violate NCAA violations and paying a penalty in your sport as a result?

And people here scoffed when I said money is the deciding factor in who is winning national championships in NCAA D1.

That's not to say EVERY good team is paying players, but millions and millions of dollars is going into the top level programs.

SMU football is the only team to ever get the death penalty (in the late 80s), but they didn't ax their men's XC/track program until 2004 due to gender equity. However, it took their men's football team a long time to recover. What happened at OSU sounds even worst than what was going on at SMU.

Hold up people. Let's take a few moments to let the ink dry on this story before the crucifixion.

The reporting team from Sports Illustrated has a fundamental credibility problem (Thayer Evans), and the sources providing quotes appear to be, to a man, disgruntled ex-players that left due to unfixable drug problems, rule-breaking, and class-failing (is it that hard to pass at OKState?).

http://www.pistolsfiringblog.com/thayer-evans-takes-down-oklahoma-state

Other players from this time at OSU appear to be denying the allegations.

http://www.news9.com/story/23393070/former-osu-football-players-sound-off-about-sis-article

Well, one of the players who isn't denying improprieties is former quarterback, Aso Pogi, who's a preacher in Lawton. At least he has morals.

getting axed wrote:

Well, one of the players who isn't denying improprieties is former quarterback, Aso Pogi, who's a preacher in Lawton. At least he has morals.

Is his wife's name Tammy Faye?

hold your horses wrote:

The reporting team from Sports Illustrated has a fundamental credibility problem

http://www.news9.com/story/23393070/former-osu-football-players-sound-off-about-sis-article

You mean like the story about OSU tattoo that listed a couple players who didn't have any tats? Source was a disgruntled player who had left the team.

if true, they are clearly being used as scapegoats to some of the other top universities to make it look like the NCAA actually cares. It is ridiculous how corrupt the NCAA football has become.

You have it wrong- rather than covering the truth, as these other players are doing, he's exposing the truth.

Which impropriety or improprieties is Pogi not denying?

"Quarterback Aso Pogi (1999 to 2002) says he and another player lived at Talley's ranch one summer rent-free. In retrospect Pogi says, "It's a big deal. I was the starting quarterback." (Talley says that Pogi lived at his ranch and had to work to cover his rent; Pogi denies that he did any work.)"

That's the extent of Pogi's quotes in this piece. That's also the extent of Pogi's appearance in the article. It also seems to be a rather big indictment of Pogi's protestant work ethic, as other players are claiming they were worked hard at Talley's ranch:

"I still have a blood soaked shoe from building barbwire fence", "I can't speak for nobody else but I still got scars from doing work for talley." (sketchy grammar but whatever, it's Twitter), "Who ever heard of John Talley not making you work hard for every dime.... Never sweat so much" etc

You took the quotes out of context- some players are saying they worked, while others, including Pogi, are saying they didn't.

err...what?

How did I take quotes out of context? I posted quotes saying exactly what you say in your post: some say they worked, some (just Pogi at the moment) say they didn't.

This could be no different that the bs that the NCAA pulled on Oregon. After Oregon had to put up with two years of unfounded charges, the NCAA eventually dropped nearly everything, except for a couple minor infractions. Assuming innocence, unless proven guilty, let's hope OSU doesn't get put through the ringer like Oregon was. If the NCAA can't be more competent on this investigation, the NCAA should be done away with.

The NCAA isn't investigating, it's sports illustrated, doubt anything will come of it.

Fried Duck wrote:

The NCAA isn't investigating, it's sports illustrated, doubt anything will come of it.

If you're pretending that this isn't a big deal, you may want to watch video of OSU's AD apologizing to the entire Big XII for what's coming down the pipeline. If he truly believed nothing would be unearthed, the AD would not be going on the offensive with the media before the rest of the story rolls out.

As an aside, SI claims that a team of 10 employees spent months researching the article. I doubt they would open themselves up to a possible litigation battle, if they were not highly confident that the majority of their allegations were true.

This won't be blowing over anytime soon, so grab some popcorn and enjoy the show!

Let's get to know SI's awesome team:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/post.aspx/Jason_Whitlock_slams_SI_writer_Thayer_Evans/11-22173

RRRR wrote:

If he truly believed nothing would be unearthed, the AD would not be going on the offensive with the media before the rest of the story rolls out.

Beautiful logic. Here, let's try other constructions to test for falsifiability:

RRRR wrote:

If he truly believed nothing would be unearthed, the AD would not be going on the defensive with the media before the rest of the story rolls out.

RRRR wrote:

If he truly believed nothing would be unearthed, the AD would be going on the offensive with the media before the rest of the story rolls out.

RRRR wrote:

If he truly believed nothing would be unearthed, the AD would be going on the defensive with the media before the rest of the story rolls out.

Perfect! They all support your pre-derived conclusion!