Ryan Hall Training in Kenya

Wondering if he will step foot into one of the famed pharmacies there as discovered by German Anti Doping research guru Hajo Seppelt?

He talks about seeking out a training group or even starting his own. That would be awesome if he started his own. Put his faith based coaching to the test on other runners. I could see some good things from that.

To the first 2 posters on this thread:

Hall's blog was excellent. I loved reading it & I can't believe you're bashing. I understand the point of the OP, but that doesn't mean using faith as a criteria to conclude, is exclusive to all other reasonings in life's events.

bobsuruncle wrote:

Anybody else find it rich coming from a guy who apparently lives his life on faith alone goes to Kenya and blogs about how the mythology of Kenyan running is untrue and shoots down some of the "stories" because he sees no evidence to support them?

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Anyone else find it rich that you are so bothered by others believing in a God that you read their blogs and then post about it on an Internet messageboard?

Let it rest. This is a running messageboard. I don't understand why all of the non-believers and racists and anti-Israel people are obsessed with using letsrun as their place to prove their point.

Moving on to what I thought of Ryan Hall's blog, I do think he jumps to a few quick conclusions. Instead of saying the "Kenyans are good because they train in groups and I'm going to look for training partners when I get back to the US", I think he ought to pick up a copy of Sports Gene. It helps explain both Hall and the Kenyans success.

In general though, he's one of my favorite runners. He's always searching and exploring versus being a robot and not telling anyone about it.

I haven't been too up to date on things. Are he and Canova 100% done? Did Canova ever talk about that? Isn't it a bit strange that he's now in Kenya living about 500 meters from Canova's hotel? Maybe they should try to work together. I'm assuming Canova can find some training partners for him.

But I'm overall just excited about his trip to Kenya. My buddy from Cornell, KEvin Thompson, is over there now doing charity work and called me yesterday, "Hey you won't guess who is staying in the same room you did when you were over here? Ryan Hall."

So if Hall kicks butt in NY, i'm taking credit for it. My lucky room.

I wish him and Sara the best of luck.

rojo wrote:

I don't understand why all of the non-believers and racists and anti-Israel people are obsessed with using letsrun as their place to prove their point.

Way to lump non-believers, racists and anti-Israel folks together. Because they're all the same? Yuck.

Nutella1 wrote:

rojo wrote:

I don't understand why all of the non-believers and racists and anti-Israel people are obsessed with using letsrun as their place to prove their point.

Way to lump non-believers, racists and anti-Israel folks together. Because they're all the same? Yuck.

They are all the same in the fact that they constantly spew their crap all over the boards.

Hall leaves coach. Sees Kenyans working with coach. Briefly joins that coach. Hall leaves coach.

Hall leaves training group. Sees Kenyans training in groups. Starts his own training group. Hall leaves own training group.

rojo wrote:

Let it rest. This is a running messageboard. I don't understand why all of the non-believers and racists and anti-Israel people are obsessed with using letsrun as their place to prove their point.

Um, because you let them.

Nutella1 wrote:

rojo wrote:

I don't understand why all of the non-believers and racists and anti-Israel people are obsessed with using letsrun as their place to prove their point.

Way to lump non-believers, racists and anti-Israel folks together. Because they're all the same? Yuck.

In what way is he saying they are "all the same"?

He is merely pointing out (without a complete inventory of these "types") that these trolls tend to pollute too many threads, if not hijack them entirely. This is a running site, not a political or religious site. I too wonder why these people bother to post on this site - they add nothing of value to any discussion. Similarly the grammar trolls add little to the discussion either for that matter - no one is writing thesis papers or having their posts published in esteemed journals where such rigour may be required.

Too many people go after Hall because of his religious beliefs, when really that has little to do with his success or failure (even if he thinks it may).

And I thank him for it. Where else can I rant like this? haha.

Tamel Coe wrote:

rojo wrote:

Let it rest. This is a running messageboard. I don't understand why all of the non-believers and racists and anti-Israel people are obsessed with using letsrun as their place to prove their point.

Um, because you let them.

I never heard the latest on the Canova / Hall split. Is Canova coaching him now or not? It does seem funny that Hall would go back to Kenya, close to Canova, without at least consulting him for training.

Anyone have the latest scoop on that relationship?

I'm sure I read somewhere recently that Canova is still in contact with him to consult with. I will see if I can find a link

If you only want people to post about running specific topics, why do you have the option to choose "non-running related" when one starts a new thread?

[quote]rojo wrote:

re: "This is a running messageboard. I don't understand why all of the non-believers and racists and anti-Israel people are obsessed with using letsrun as their place to prove their point."

Wow! - This is very good coming from the top. Over the last couple of years, Letsrun has lost some creditable posters because of the extreme end political, (non)/religious and racial talk. Btw, I am also a Hall fan, but at times, I can't tell if he is a complex person who sees the world in his own special way and we don't get it -or if he is a simple and naive person who doesn’t get it. Yes, there are no mysteries to the East African success. The fact is, there is no one determinant factor, but early aerobic development is certainly one of them and is the main factors the East Africans themselves point out as the foundation for their success. I am not sure why Hall would discount the benefits of Kenyans running back and forth to school.

Back on-topic:

I just don't understand why Hall flies thousands of miles with 24h travel and 6 connecting flights to train in a country where there are some serious risks, like malaria or the possibility of getting mugged (white over there pretty much means "look at me I got money"). Also, no good hospitals around there in case of injuries.

He could just live and train in CA at altitude and train with Meb, his neighbor.

Nutella1 wrote:

Back on-topic:

I just don't understand why Hall flies thousands of miles with 24h travel and 6 connecting flights to train in a country where there are some serious risks, like malaria or the possibility of getting mugged (white over there pretty much means "look at me I got money"). Also, no good hospitals around there in case of injuries.

He could just live and train in CA at altitude and train with Meb, his neighbor.

His charity, Steps Foundation, built a hospital there. He's not there JUST to train.

Nutella1 wrote:

Back on-topic:

I just don't understand why Hall flies thousands of miles with 24h travel and 6 connecting flights to train in a country where there are some serious risks, like malaria or the possibility of getting mugged (white over there pretty much means "look at me I got money"). Also, no good hospitals around there in case of injuries.

He could just live and train in CA at altitude and train with Meb, his neighbor.

Probably a higher chance of getting mugged or shot in the US

Tour Operator wrote:

Probably a higher chance of getting mugged or shot in the US

In Bear Lakes or whatever, CA? Nope.

Nutella1 wrote:

Back on-topic:

I just don't understand why Hall flies thousands of miles with 24h travel and 6 connecting flights to train in a country where there are some serious risks, like malaria or the possibility of getting mugged (white over there pretty much means "look at me I got money"). Also, no good hospitals around there in case of injuries.

He could just live and train in CA at altitude and train with Meb, his neighbor.

Meb lives in San Diego. Hall in Redding/Flagstaff. They are not neighbors. I live in Oregon and am closer to being his neighbor than Meb is.

Also, plenty of other distance runners, not from Kenya, go there for a period of training. He isn't breaking any new ground here.