Deer everyone (brojos, sub elites, Ryan Vail) whining about competitor group

johnnylangenwanker wrote: Deer everyone...

"DEAR" Moron...

Sweet idea. And while we're at it, The Packers should go back to working in the meat packing plant in the offseason. Bunch of slacker professional athletes without jobs! How can they be the 'Packers' if they don't even pack? Embarrassing.

Hardly comparable to some sub-elite distance runners.

Pay Attention Beavis wrote:

Sweet idea. And while we're at it, The Packers should go back to working in the meat packing plant in the offseason. Bunch of slacker professional athletes without jobs! How can they be the 'Packers' if they don't even pack? Embarrassing.

It is the attitude of entitlement held by most 20 somethings. There are way too many enablers. The Hansons being #1 for almost a 15 years. STOP GIVING.

Lost Credibility wrote:

johnnylangenwanker wrote: Deer everyone...

"DEAR" Moron...

Newbie!

Pay Attention Beavis wrote:

Sweet idea. And while we're at it, The Packers should go back to working in the meat packing plant in the offseason. Bunch of slacker professional athletes without jobs! How can they be the 'Packers' if they don't even pack? Embarrassing.

yah, football and long distance running definitely have the same amount of money available for athletes. can't believe i forgot about that.

Lost Credibility wrote:

johnnylangenwanker wrote: Deer everyone...

"DEAR" Moron...

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You do realize there is a difference between an amateur sport and a professional sport, right? What you are saying is that we should go back to running our sport as an amateur sport, which is both backwards and lacks any sort of progressive thinking. How about thinking bigger? How about thinking outside the box instead of referring back to the way things were back in the 1970's?

I agree that complaining about Competitor Group dropping their support of elites isn't worth the time and ultimately doesn't fix anything. However, you are not more of a man for working full time, training "full time," having a family, etc. You do realize that pro distance runners train way harder and smarter than you, right? They are the best in the world at what they do and they should be working to find the support to allow them to focus 100% on what they want to accomplish. You choose to get a job and work 40 hours a week and then train, meaning it's not your full priority. You have a great set-up for a tier 2 runner. Congrats.

I agree that Brojos, complaining athletes, should stop. This gives motivation and reason to redefine how the sport is set up and ultimately how athletes make a living. It's an opportunity.

Lost Credibility wrote:

johnnylangenwanker wrote: Deer everyone...

"DEAR" Moron...

Reported.

you're operating under the bizarre illusion that distance runners are some kind of oppressed minority, like syrian rebel factions. this generation of serious runners grows up with Pre railing against the AAU and with the crappy HS football team that's 5th in the local conference receiving more credibility than you, the state champ and school record holder in the mile. we as sub-elite distance runners have a complex that the world owes us cash for our noble struggle. my points are

1) get over yourself, get some perspective.

2) you are vastly overestimating the difference between the training that can be accomplished if you have no job, and if you work 40 hours a week. if you decide to be the best runner you can be, there are still 40 hours left in the week in which you can sit down at a desk and exercise your brain. it's as simple as that. i've beaten plenty of "tier 1" guys as you call them, living my "tier 2" lifestyle.

here's my tier 2 lifestyle:

7 am: wake up, 5-8 miles (3-4 times a week)

8:30 am: arrive at work

noon to 1 pm: core workout/supplemental drills outside my office building (3 times a week)

5:30 pm: commute home by running, then straight into main run/main workout, avg. between 10 and 15 miles total

7:30 pm: begin cooking dinner/doing more work/stretching/hanging out with family

11:00: in bed

your so called tier 1 athletes spend the time that the rest of us spend at our real jobs, doing things like playing angry birds and reading about twerking. read interviews or blogs with NOP or schumacher's guys. or better yet: get to know one of them. ask ventolin or jtupper if candy crush has been proven to lower your VDOT or put a sting in your kick.

you wrote "you do realize that pro distance runners train way harder and smarter than you, right?" to which i would respond that aside from the gray area and gadgetry of salzar's runners, there is absolutely nothing that the american record holders do that i don't do - that dozens of other people exactly like me don't do. except we have jobs (that fortunately allow us to post on letsrun during downtime) and we don't complain about a business acting like a business.

You do realize that starting your sentences with, 'You do realize', identifies you as a pompous moron, right?

Also, try thinking outside the box and stop using such hackneyed consultant-speak phrases like, 'thinking outside the box'.

Thanks.

This is exactly correct. The OP has no clue. There's something called recovery, and that's just as important, if not more important, than putting in the work. The OP will never understand the difference this makes, because he's not an elite athlete and has never lived the lifestyle to reap the benefits from it. Terrence Mahon did an interview a few years ago talking about this- you will never be the best you can be by working a job alongside running. Running has to be your job, in this day and age, if you want to be competitive with the best and get the most out of yourself. You only live once, and it's a risk for even a sub-elite to quit their job and train full-time, but every serious athlete needs to at least give themself a shot to see what's possible.

By the way, Competitor Group pulling their funding doesn't just affect sub-elites- there's no longer appearance fees for the likes of Meb, Deena, Shalane, Kara, or Mo to go for a "tempo run". Their devaluing of elites will likely have a trickle-down effect.

1) when the likes of meb, deena, shalane, kara, and mo go for "tempo runs" to win money it is wildly uninteresting and kind of depressing. as a fan of all of them, i want to see them run fast. tempo at home.

2) themself is most certainly not a part of any jargon i've ever encountered

3) please tell me how sitting at a desk, stretching, and doing core workouts is not "recovering" - please tell me how it is any different from playing angry birds all day. unless you hate your job to the point where it is mentally affecting your preparation for race day and training, etc, there is absolutely zero difference. the difference is in your unexamined and unexperienced assumptions.

4) what is the obsession with people on this board assuming they know someone else's training or PR's? i could be a 2:10 or a 2:50 marathoner and honestly, if i'm doing everything i possibly can (i am) it doesn't matter.

I have a desk job and have run up to 100mpw before and it is doable. But, my workouts are nowhere as intense as the elites. I would never be able to recover if they were.

Are you taking naps and getting physical therapy, massages and/or chiro work on a daily basis?

If you are not doing the above, you are not doing EVERYTHING you possibly can.

With the number of 2:10 marathoners in the US I think we can rule you out.

[quote]johnnylangenwanker wrote:

1) when the likes of meb, deena, shalane, kara, and mo go for "tempo runs" to win money it is wildly uninteresting and kind of depressing. as a fan of all of them, i want to see them run fast. tempo at home.

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That's exactly one of the problems with competitor. If they really wanted to stand out, they would bring in 10 of the best and actually have a competitive race. Bringing in the one token elite that will win the race easily isn't in the best interest of the sport.

It's not uninteresting to those who come to the Expos to meet/hear them, see them in a race, and shake hands with them afterwards, nor is it uninteresting to the media who come out to interview them afterwards. There's usually strings attached to having an appearance fee, besides going for the tempo run.

Typical Letsrunner with a small ****.

You have no idea. While you're sitting at your desk, elite runner A is taking a 2-3 hour afternoon nap to rest up for their second or third workout of the day. Your intensity level will never be as high as it could be working a full-time job.

Because your original post shows that you're another clueless, average Letsrun-know-it-all, when the reality is you know jack about elite level running. You're average for a reason.

Hey Johnny,

Why don't you get a friggin' life? All you do is work and run. No wife, no kids, no pets. Feel sorry that you spend all your free time running, kinda sad.

Deer Moron,Check out this link:http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4383291

Hats to be shed wrote:

Lost Credibility wrote:

"DEAR" Moron...

Newbie!

hey johnny wrote:

Hey Johnny,

Why don't you get a friggin' life? All you do is work and run. No wife, no kids, no pets. Feel sorry that you spend all your free time running, kinda sad.

appreciate the concern broski.

run 4 to 5 of my runs per week with old college teammates.

also, i'm married, and we have no kids but will soon. if my wife was the only life i had i would be more than OK with that. not sure what kind of life you're implying is so much greater.

also, we have 3 cats and a dog and fish. that's right, FISH.

sometimes i get drunk on friday and saturday nights. for 2 years after college i worked 15 hours a week, never drank, never socialized, never saw my family, and never improved on my college PR's. i spent all my time training. i'm sure quite a few people on this board have had similar experiences: truly giving it everything is not wise. you break down. my job keeps me balanced. i'd run 24 hours a day if i could, but i'm faster because i don't.

everyone's body is different. i don't need to nap during the day if i average 8-9 hours every night. maybe there are a few individuals who absolutely need that nap - maybe they could only work 30 hours a week. i'll give you that. otherwise- find a job where you're not on your feet all the time, which you should be able to because if you're here you're probably white and have a college degree, and the RECOVERY IS THE SAME.