Holy Crap, NJNYTC is no longer a B-list team

What about John Cook's group? I might be a bit out of it, but doesn't he have Torrence, Manzano, Rowbury, etc? I guess it's too small to be considered a team, per say

Many of these rosters being cited are not true anymore.

Also, maybe we should only reach back 2 years for PB's instead of 5 or 6 that are being referenced here.

1). Centro ran 3:31

2). No way in hell Merber, Wheating, Ulrey, or Jeff See can touch their PRs with a 10-foot pole right now. Not hating, that's just the way it is, bad luck has hit them hard recently.

3). ZAP just got 3:39 guy Joe Stilin.

Salazar

Mo 328, Rupp 334, Ulrey 335, and Centeo 333

Very long time since Ulrey ran that. Ulrey ran a 8:00 this year at PTF but didn't Cam Levins break 3:40?

Schumacher

Lamong 333, Jager 336, bumbalough 337, Heath 338, and ALAN WEBB 3:30!!!!!! HE'S COMING BACK BABY

Rowland's

Wheating 330, Blankenship 336, Tmac 334, and Symonds 334

Been a long time since Wheating ran that.

OTC signed Andy Bayer: 3:34

Ny/nj

Andrews 334, several at 338, can't call Merber 335 until he breaks 338 again.

Furman Elite

Leslie 334, Bolas 335, See 335, not sure who else they've added this summer?

Indiana Elite

Couple at 340. Hear Bayer and Poore are not a part of group.

Looking back, Rowlands ahead of Schumacher in order for sure.

Zap Fitness, Brooks, Hansons, etc don't have sub 340 guys?

Brooks Beasts TC just signed Riley Masters. I know we aren't talking about the ladies, but since it's middle distance...their women's training group is extremely good, probably the best in the US.

backwater wrote:

East Coast Represent wrote:

It's about time East Coast runners had a truly elite training group to join

That's great if you want to live in the NJ/NY urban jungle.

Alternative - go to Hanover and beg Mark Coogan, Ben True and Sam Chelanga to let you in.

You've obviously never been to New Brunswick, New Jersey if you think they are training in an "urban jungle."

DMVarea wrote:

What about John Cook's group? I might be a bit out of it, but doesn't he have Torrence, Manzano, Rowbury, etc? I guess it's too small to be considered a team, per say

Cook had his Nike funding pulled and the group has disbanded.

hog wash wrote:

Wetmore says altitude tents are cheating and I agree with him, l

It's easy to say altitude tents are cheating when you know, live at altitude.

Good to consider wrote:

i will try 4 x 1500

Salazar

Mo 328, Rupp 334, Ulrey 335, and Centeo 333

Very long time since Ulrey ran that.

Schumacher

Lamong 333, Jager 336, bumbalough 337, and Heath 338

Rowland's

Wheating 330, Blankenship 336, Tmac 334, and Symonds 334

Been a long time since Wheating ran that.

Ny/nj

Andrews 334, several at 338, can't call Merber 335 until he breaks 338 again.

Furman Elite

Leslie 334, Bolas 335, See 335, not sure who else they've added this summer?

Indiana Elite

Couple at 340. Hear Bayer and Poore are not a part of group.

Looking back, Rowlands ahead of Schumacher in order for sure.

Zap Fitness, Brooks, Hansons, etc don't have sub 340 guys?

Not sure of their rosters.

Thanks

Nice work

Some back of the paper bag math tells me typically we see PR plus 20-30 sec giving you a good idea of what they will run.

First on the AllTimeBest List is Kenya National Team with a 14:36 {hypothetical 14:06 { incl Augustine Choge 3:29.5)}

The first nonAllStar/National team sits at 6th AllTimeBest

Club Larios Madrid with PRs of 3:34.5,3:34.5,3:36.0 and 3:31.0 (hypothetical 14:16) put together a 14:46 team

The top USA club team

17th AT

14:52.37 Reebok Enclave Philadelphia 29.04.2000

Scott Anderson (3:45.5) USA

John Honerkamp (3:44.1) USA

Michael Ryan (3:42.0) USA

Matthew Holtaus (3:40.8) USA-the only sub 4 miler 3:55

first IAAF World Relay Championships- in Bahamas 2014 will include a 4x1500

"Coaching is my golf."

Great man. Love him for all he has done and continues to do.

The Oregon track club has the best 800m crew. Recently had 3 guys in the 800m final at USA's and could be adding that number to four

Penry wrote:

backwater wrote:

That's great if you want to live in the NJ/NY urban jungle.

Alternative - go to Hanover and beg Mark Coogan, Ben True and Sam Chelanga to let you in.

You've obviously never been to New Brunswick, New Jersey if you think they are training in an "urban jungle."

You've obviously never been west of the mississippi if you consider ANYTHING in NJ to be anything other than trees crammed in between interstate.

Good to consider wrote:

i will try 4 x 1500

Salazar

Mo 328, Rupp 334, Ulrey 335, and Centeo 333

Very long time since Ulrey ran that.

Schumacher

Lamong 333, Jager 336, bumbalough 337, and Heath 338

Rowland's

Wheating 330, Blankenship 336, Tmac 334, and Symonds 334

Been a long time since Wheating ran that.

Ny/nj

Andrews 334, several at 338, can't call Merber 335 until he breaks 338 again.

Furman Elite

Leslie 334, Bolas 335, See 335, not sure who else they've added this summer?

Indiana Elite

Couple at 340. Hear Bayer and Poore are not a part of group.

Looking back, Rowlands ahead of Schumacher in order for sure.

Zap Fitness, Brooks, Hansons, etc don't have sub 340 guys?

Not sure of their rosters.

The Brooks groups is stronger at 800 right now on the men's side. They do have Riley Masters. Women's side, Katie Mackey would probably be the strongest 1500 and up.

Hansons is all 10k and up, right? Neely Spence is the only one who could be competitive on the track in that group right now besides a healthy Desi.

You don't know what you're talking about. NJ isn't The Soprano's or the Turnpike.

I thought it would be obvious that lving at altitude 24/7 is different than artificially manipulating altitude to meet your conveniences with the push of a button.

AXC wrote:

hog wash wrote:

Wetmore says altitude tents are cheating and I agree with him, l

It's easy to say altitude tents are cheating when you know, live at altitude.

Ever hear of the pine barrens?

Ranking him accurately wrote:

1500 and longer,

Salazar

Schumacher

NY/NJ

Rowlands

Wetmore

Furman Elite

Brooks

Indiana Elite

Zap Fitness

Nobody else.

.......COME ON LETS RUN TROLLS! AT LEAST GET THE NAME OF THE CLUB RIGHT!! New Jersey/New York track club.....not New York/New Jersey..... NJNYTC NJNYTC NJNYTC NJNYTC NJNYTC NJNYTC NJNYTC NJNYTC NJNYTC NJNYTC NJNYTC NJNYTC NJNYTC

Brie Felnagle trains in that Brooks group and is coached by danny even though she's Adidas. She ran a 4:05 over in Europe recently. Though Katie Follett is having a great year aside from a crappy USAsAlso, heard on the women's side Phoebe Wright and Erica Moore are moving thereI would give Rowland's group the nod on top mid distance but NYNJ is deep.

Team Indiana Elite

338 339 340 341 if I'm not mistaken

Not great. Not bad.

Indian Elite claims anybody around.

Who is actually a part of the group outside of Turner, Garcia, and Stockenberger?