Cabral Has Lyme Disease

I spoke to Cabral at the Belmar 5K on August 10th ...hung out/BS'ed with him for around 20 min. He said he was getting over it OK and was training much better. I had the feeling he would be back soon. He is not a BS'er. Very nice guy.

H ran around 15:20. It was only a tempo run for him.

Flotrack press release: http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250603-Outdoor-Track-and-Field-on-Flotrack-2013/article/21971-Donn-Cabral-joins-New-Jersey-New-York-Track-Club

44:20 25k is 2:51 per mile pace

707 geranium freak beast wrote:

44:20 25k is 2:51 per mile pace

Stop beating me!

You're right about the test - they just check for antibodies to determine if you've got it, but once you have the antibodies, they're detectable for the rest of your life (for the same reason vaccines can give you immunity for many years).

It sounds like I was a lot luckier with my Lyme than I first realized... lots of people posting here have had long term issues. I never found the tick, but once I got diagnosed and got on antibiotics (doxycycline), everything cleared up in a week. It still sucked - I went untreated for long enough to get Lyme carditis (bacteria screwed up my heart a bit), and the doctors took 6+ weeks to clear me for strenuous physical activity. I haven't been the same since, but I think it's more from misjudging how much fitness I'd lost and pushing too hard, resulting in some big injuries.

Anyway, Lyme sucks, it varies greatly from person to person, and the medical community still doesn't know much about it. I do want to point out that antibiotics aren't ALWAYS bad for it though.

That is unfortunate. I think Bill Matthews struggled with Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever a few years ago that put him out. You may have never heard of it, but it is basically the sister disease to lyme. Sever side effects, and can cause the same long term damage.

Checked it out...that's no joke. Never heard of it before this but that's more severe...just really uncommon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Mountain_spotted_fever

Is any one aware that Plum Island ( a secrete government disease testing facility )is just off the coast of Old Lyme ? Hmmmmmm

Cabral World record wrote:

Tough Luck wrote:

In his running log, Donn Cabral mentions he is "not really over this Lyme yet." He seemed very evasive when talking about his problems last spring. I guess this explains it. I figured he either must have something serious or made a huge training error. After his 3:56 and 44:20 25k the latter seemed unlikely. Tough luck for a rising star.

44:20 is an amazing time for 25k. I must have missed the press release on this new world best

I can't believe no one else noticed this. 44:20 is impossible to run for 25k. Maybe 15k is what he means?

Antibiotics are a huge weapon to fight infection so I don't agree with you there. But that said, much of the lyme desease "evidence" is anecdotal and worthless. The antibodies can be detected when people when people never get Lyme. I hope no one is misdiagnosed when actually they should be treated for an autoimmune desease.

not a doctor but wrote:

Antibiotics are a huge weapon to fight infection so I don't agree with you there. But that said, much of the lyme desease "evidence" is anecdotal and worthless. The antibodies can be detected when people when people never get Lyme.

Antibiotics kill mostly beneficial bacteria, the immune system of the body, and destroy it. Depression of the immune system with antibiotics gets rid of symptoms, because people are no longer able to respond and fight off the infections, which makes people think they're getting better, when in fact they are much worse off, even dying, such as in the cases of Aids, a high correlation with the use of antibiotics. Modern antibiotics are especially invasive.

True fans wrote:

Gags will motivate to get his hunger back. Him and his high school coach were lost last year even before injuries, sickness. He will be solidly America's #2.

His "high school" coach was not lost.. The guy knows what he's doing ... I would say he's in the top 1% of all coaches in the country. In the end I think his switch has to do with having training partners, regardless of whether he's in a stable of steeplechase guys or not.

Donn Cabral Ma Wigga from CT Holla its ya boy Johnny

My Wigga is mad tough - he's a soldier he'll be back mofos!!!

SomeCoach wrote:

True fans wrote:

Gags will motivate to get his hunger back. Him and his high school coach were lost last year even before injuries, sickness. He will be solidly America's #2.

His "high school" coach was not lost.. The guy knows what he's doing ... I would say he's in the top 1% of all coaches in the country. In the end I think his switch has to do with having training partners, regardless of whether he's in a stable of steeplechase guys or not.

I second that emotion, fact he is one of the best !!!

In the eighth grade, Donn was diagnosed with Lyme’s disease. It took visits to many, many doctors before they determined what the problem was. If the diagnosis wasn’t determined when it was, it could have had lasting effects on Donn. Overcoming this obstacle was an important step for Donn (and for Deborah) – it turns out that persistence and advocacy is as important for moms as it is for Olympians!

JR would you stop with the anti science spewage? Yes, long term use of anti biotics can damage your immune system. Just like alcoholism can damage your liver. But use of antibiotics to fight infections like lyme, like having a glass of wine at dinner, does not do any damage to your immune system.

Do you have any science that shows short term intense anti biotics do long term damage?