Salazar responds

Dr. Know wrote:

redux wrote:

So what are the legal supplements?

Micro-doses of testosterone for one. The rules allow a 4:1 T/E ratio when the average is 1.15/1.

Albuterol and synthetic thyroid if you have a doctor who will write a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE).

The CIR (Carbon Isotope Ratio) test does not consider your ratio. It simply detects if the testosterone in your system in exogenous or endogenous. When Gatlin got busted his T/E ratio was 0.5:1 !!! so any cheaters beware it's not as simple as it used to be.

Out of breath wrote:

“We don’t take that much stuff and everything that Mo takes is from UK Athletics,” he said.

This could be a little suspect--is he passing the buck? Giving himself/Nike an out? And all the "stuff" talk is a little weird.

I think, assuming he's telling the truth, he's saying "by my knowledge Mo is clean, and if for some reason he's not clean it's sure as hell not something we're giving him." I don't think it's suspect, I just think AlSal isn't the most eloquent speaker. I do think he's being honest, but then I am naive and trustful.

ggilder wrote:

pharmanoia

Good word!

Identical twins have identical nuclear DNA, not identical physiology. Over their lifetimes, the brothers are exposed to different environmental conditions, which leads to differential gene expression, which subsequently influences development and ageing. At the DNA level, Mo and his brother share the same DNA sequence. At the cellular, tissue, and system levels, there are differences. So, you would be able to detect if Mo was using genetic engineering to increase performance. For example, imagine if scientists altered the DNA sequence of Mo's growth hormone gene to increase it's expression. You could sequence the DNA of Mo and his brother and detect the alteration in the gene.

Dont u judge wrote:

Salazar could end this speculation very quickly

Mo has an identical twin bro. Take blood from each and compare. If Mo is "clean" their blood and other should be identical (of course subtracting the natural changes of high intensity of training.

He won't do it. How he responded is how 99% of the caught dopers responded. Big deal.

What is this beta-alanine Salazar says his athletes take?

I freely admit to being fairly ignorant about supplements. I've heard of iron and Vitamin D, of course. It just sounded funny to me, him saying we only take these couple of things that your average housewife might take, plus beta-alanine, which sounded so obscure to me. Maybe it's just my ignorance of the subject. Is beta-alanine a popular supplement among runners nowadays?

I did a quick Google search on beta-alanine. Examine.com said:

"Carnosine is stored in body cells and released in response to drops in pH. Increasing body stores of carnosine can both protect against diet induced drops in pH (such as occurs from ketone production in ketosis) and from exercise induced lactic acid production.

Via buffering lactic acid, beta-alanine has been shown to enhance performance in muscular endurance. Many people note being able to perform one or two additional reps in the gym when training in sets of 8-15 repetitions. Moderate to high intensity cardiovascular events that stress the muscular system highly such as rowing or sprinting also see performance increases with beta-alanine, although they are less significant.

Beta-alanine is a well-researched compound with good reliability and validity. Many studies note beneficial but minor benefits on exercise performance."

Anyway, I assume beta-alanine is legal and probably doesn't do much of anything. It's just a little disconcerting when you Google a supplement runners are taking, and everything that pops up is bodybuilding-related.

Realistic view of it wrote:

Without required user registration this board will become more and more just a platform for one party to attack and start rumors about another party they dislike or have a problem with or feel competition from, because they can do it with anonymity.

This message board drags down the sport. Very little good or positive is discussed here any more, just criticism and running down people you have a beef with.

But they will not change the format, and not for any ideological reason as stated numerous times, but simply because they get more visits to the site this way and thus more advertisement revenues. It is a gossip and TMZ message board, not to promote the sport but to gossip and get as many visitors as possible.

Mr. Moomoo says he wants registration, but then he's the one who keeps removing everyone's messages! Maybe he just wants a message board by himself.

* wrote:

Working with the EAS team is really helping me prepare because they provide me with a lot of supplements as far as my protein that I take before and after practice, as well as some creatine products. Me being a spokesperson for drug-free athletes, this company is 100% certified. They have no banned stimulants or substances in their product, so we’re on the same page. I can go into a Vitamin Shop or get products from the company directly, and I can take them and there’s nothing that’s going to show up positive on any test.

- Tyson Gay

http://www.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding_900/989_tyson-gay.html

Tyson Gay was also part of Project Believe where he was subject to extra testing and setting blood samples aside.

Still got popped.

Nothing should convince anyone of someone being clean.

Gay's EAS creatine must have come from the same lot as sprintgeezer's

Realistic view of it wrote:

Without required user registration this board will become more and more just a platform for one party to attack and start rumors about another party they dislike or have a problem with or feel competition from, because they can do it with anonymity.

This message board drags down the sport. Very little good or positive is discussed here any more, just criticism and running down people you have a beef with.

But they will not change the format, and not for any ideological reason as stated numerous times, but simply because they get more visits to the site this way and thus more advertisement revenues. It is a gossip and TMZ message board, not to promote the sport but to gossip and get as many visitors as possible.

Let's Run is so ridiculous.[/quote][/quote]

[quote]DSK II wrote:

No, there is also plenty of interesting and useful information and commentary on the boards, in addition to the things you describe.[quote] badsin wrote:

"Plenty of interesting and useful information..." Yes, and couldn't that "useful information" come from an actual name; a person to be held accountable for what is said? Would it not be useful anymore if we know who's mouth it came from? God forbid anyone know one's true feelings.

How hard would it be for wejo mojo blojo or whatever their names are to require an actual sign in... like with Facebook. Not an optional BS name.

It is true... they just want random garbage and graffiti on these walls to spur rumors, conspiracy theories, and dig up dirt on fast runners. If there were actual people held accountable on here, there would 99% less crap said. Therefore, it will always be this way on LetsRun because they need the clicks.

I feel bad for the young athletes that get most of their information on here. All this negative trash is, unfortunately, influential on these young minds.

I am 44 years old, but I think if I were in high school reading all these posts, I would have no desire to be involved in or successful in running.

I wish the bros would clean this board up. Perhaps by having everyone register would be a start? I agree, we are dragging ourselves and the sport into oblivion.

Anyone think that maybe British Athletics passed on some supplements to Farah before the Olympics to boost the hype in London and have him get better to win? Doesn't have to be illegal, but maybe something that would give him an edge.

How hard would it be for wejo mojo blojo or whatever their names are to require an actual sign in... like with Facebook. Not an optional BS name.

Texas Toast wrote:

How hard would it be for wejo mojo blojo or whatever their names are to require an actual sign in... like with Facebook. Not an optional BS name.

Sorry, I was going to write that something like this would be good because it would prevent people from changing the subject of a thread by posting the same thing over and over again from a bunch of different names, but i clicked post instead of preview. Then I was going to link this again

Because I really like this article.

"I am 44 years old, but I think if I were in high school reading all these posts, I would have no desire to be involved in or successful in running."

Yes you would.

You are speaking from the perspective of a 44-year-old, which is hardly relevant to the perspective of a 16-year-old.

clean this up!! wrote:

I wish the bros would clean this board up. Perhaps by having everyone register would be a start? I agree, we are dragging ourselves and the sport into oblivion.

We are only acknowledging the evident and likely truths about the sport.

It's not us who cheat and lie and steal. We love track and field, but let's face it, at the pro level, there are lots of douches involved. Like any high-level sport.

Sport really tends to bring out the scum and losers.

Please notice that I qualified my comments with a "suggests." But taking you at your word, I can imagine Salazar being so outraged by the charges leveled against NOP that he slightly exaggerated--after all, haven't we all done that. It's possible that one or two athletes take some supplements on their own, or think others are taking them when they're not. But since we're talking about legal supplements, it's hardly likely that if Salazar overstates the matter that he's hiding something. Indeed, it would be more of a red flag if Salazar listed in intricate detail everything his athletes were taking. I think his general point is that the group doesn't take illegal PEDs, that they're proud of this, and that those who discount NOP's performances are limiting themselves as both as regards what's possible and the work that requires. I should say that I was in the same place as Ritz once when he was being interviewed in Chicago and he was asked about how many hours a day he usually spends working out. He said 6-8 hours a day are devoted to working out, counting running, warmup, cool down, icing, gym, and stretching. My impression was that that was true of all (or almost all) or the NOP people. Maybe that's what we should focus on: the great commitment it takes to be good.

ohmyohmy wrote:

Believe what you would like.

My source is two athletes, one former, one current. No ill intentions on my part. I simply inquired what supplements they were on as I wanted to know what kind of things athletes in a group like that would use for training,recovery.

Also, forgot that they take caffeine too.

The issue is that why would Salazar vehemently deny the supplements, when it's blatantly false.

To me, that's a red flag. One athlete even showed me bottles of what they were currently on.

kenji wrote:

clean this up!! wrote:

I wish the bros would clean this board up. Perhaps by having everyone register would be a start? I agree, we are dragging ourselves and the sport into oblivion.

We are only acknowledging the evident and likely truths about the sport.

It's not us who cheat and lie and steal. We love track and field, but let's face it, at the pro level, there are lots of douches involved. Like any high-level sport.

Sport really tends to bring out the scum and losers.

This is the reason the sport doesn't have any money. Because it's own people bash it and thrive on bringing the top of our sport down.

If we in the sport think "at the pro level, there are lots of douches involved", how can we try and get the general public even remotely interested?

Why doesn't ESPN or NBC broadcast every major track event or major marathon?

Why do you think kids are wearing NBA and NFL jerseys instead of track and field jerseys? Because parents, media and fans make mentors out of the "good ones".

What if a 14 year old on here looks up to Ryan Hall and reads what everyone says about him? Do you think it would encourage him to throw his life in T&F and try and break american records? You can replace "Ryan Hall" in the previous sentence with any top distance star and it reads true.

I know this post will be ripped apart and lost in the sea of posts on here, but really ask yourselves, is this good for our sport? A bunch of people trying to play detective, spread rumors, and throw garbage at our pros.

At this point in time anything that gets the sport noticed is good. Give me break if you think more people are talking about drugs and running vs drugs and baseball.

"Why do you think kids are wearing NBA and NFL jerseys instead of track and field jerseys? Because parents, media and fans make mentors out of the "good ones"."

Because the NBA and NFL have superior marketing strategies, because media rely on those marketing strategies for their own revenues, and because parents are sufficiently credulous and lazy to actually believe those marketing campaigns.

THAT is why they wear those jerseys. They are equally filled with scum and douches.

poiuy wrote: "We know we’re never going to test positive for anything. No way in the world."...

This will be true because of the following:

-- What the NOP athletes take is rigorously tested.

-- The NOP athletes are rigorously tested.

-- Adjustments are made to keep the athletes under allowable testing limits. No entirely banned products are allowed.

In the future, when WADA figures out that certain combinations of allowed products, and yet to be banned products, lead to exemplary, eye-popping, performances, and past NOP athletes were found to be users of a special combination of products, NOP will simply claim: "We followed the rules in place at the time. Nothing banned was taken. How could we know what would be banned in the future?"