2007:
http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/carmelita_jeter_2008_03_22.jpg
2012:
http://www.manfrottoschoolofxcellence.com/files/2012/10/Carmelita-Jeter.jpg
It's so obvious that she's on something now, what a joke. Didn't deserve that bronze today.
2007:
http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/carmelita_jeter_2008_03_22.jpg
2012:
http://www.manfrottoschoolofxcellence.com/files/2012/10/Carmelita-Jeter.jpg
It's so obvious that she's on something now, what a joke. Didn't deserve that bronze today.
Looks more like Allyson Felix in the first pic, also there is room for muscle growth in the loose skin in the quads/hips? Looks strange. But the amount of hip flexor in the 2012 pic is wow. And the definition and bulk - must have been in the gym hard.
Doesn't look like she has that 10.65 basic unreal power that she displayed a few times in 2009, while SAFP is consistently there now for 10.70 basics. It would be interesting to compare splits from Jeter with Flo Jo when they were pretty much in the same WR shape (which is damning enough evidence if ever you needed it). Flo-Jo barely decelerated, so I guess Jeter must have been ahead up to like 50m. What about SAFP?
What's the best basic for someone who is not these top 3? Kerron Stewart 10.80 basic?
So who's 5th best on basics? Ottey?
hitting the gym, probably clean.
Not getting into the Jeter clean/dirty discussion, but in one hour of research, I can show you a dozen athletes who went through a physical transformation and performance improvement is short period of time. Perhaps in this day and age, when the change is extreme, that's enough to make you suspicions, but it is not enough to indict. This is probably not the perfect example, but Jordan Hasay is not someone you would not suspect is cheating, but her improvements and body change in one year is significant. Getting better, even significantly better and spending more time in the weight room does not make you a cheater. Like I said, perhaps the aforementioned things are enough to make you suspicious, but you need have a more than that to blatantly say an athlete is dirty.
lololol wrote:
2007:
http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/carmelita_jeter_2008_03_22.jpg2012:
http://www.manfrottoschoolofxcellence.com/files/2012/10/Carmelita-Jeter.jpgIt's so obvious that she's on something now, what a joke. Didn't deserve that bronze today.
I think she was already juicing in 2007. She was born in Nov 1979 but didn't run a truly world-class time until 2007. At one point I tried to find pix of her from her college years but didn't succeed - would be very curious to see some if anyone knows of links. Her progression [per IAAF]:
2013 10.93 +0.7 London (OP) 27 JUL
2012 10.78 +1.5 London (OP) 04 AUG
2011 10.70 +2.0 Eugene, OR 04 JUN
2010 10.82 +0.4 Monaco 22 JUL
2009 10.64 +1.2 Shanghai 20 SEP
2008 10.97 +0.7 Eugene, OR 27 JUN
2007 11.02 -0.2 Osaka 27 AUG
2006 11.48 0.0 Los Angeles, CA 04 JUN
2004 11.56 +0.6 San Diego, CA 19 JUN
In other words, through age 27(!) she wasn't a world class runner, then progresses form 11.48 to 10.64 in three years.
TrackCoach wrote:
Not getting into the Jeter clean/dirty discussion, but in one hour of research, I can show you a dozen athletes who went through a physical transformation and performance improvement is short period of time. Perhaps in this day and age, when the change is extreme, that's enough to make you suspicions, but it is not enough to indict. This is probably not the perfect example, but Jordan Hasay is not someone you would not suspect is cheating, but her improvements and body change in one year is significant. Getting better, even significantly better and spending more time in the weight room does not make you a cheater. Like I said, perhaps the aforementioned things are enough to make you suspicious, but you need have a more than that to blatantly say an athlete is dirty.
you are going to compare emaciated hasay's body to jeter's, which is a body most musclehead guys would die for? give me a break.
Jeter nowhere much in Moscow. Scared off by the public attention this year?
TrackCoach wrote:
Not getting into the Jeter clean/dirty discussion, but in one hour of research, I can show you a dozen athletes who went through a physical transformation and performance improvement is short period of time. Perhaps in this day and age, when the change is extreme, that's enough to make you suspicions, but it is not enough to indict. This is probably not the perfect example, but Jordan Hasay is not someone you would not suspect is cheating, but her improvements and body change in one year is significant. Getting better, even significantly better and spending more time in the weight room does not make you a cheater. Like I said, perhaps the aforementioned things are enough to make you suspicious, but you need have a more than that to blatantly say an athlete is dirty.
What's Hasasy biggest time drop this year? Jeter dropped 7.3% over 3 years [from age 27-30 to boot]. This would be like Hasay going from being a 32 flat 10000m runner at the beginning of 2013 to a 29:40 10000m runner by the end of 2016. And if that happens, I'll be very suspicious that some pharma help is involved.
I wasn't thinking about the 10k since Jordan did not have marks from last year; I was thinking about the 3k/5k off the top of my head. For the record, I have nothing but prasie for Jordan becasue 5 10Ks in 2 months, that's got to be a record and I don't for one second think she is dirty.
remember when she weaseled out of that monaco press conference?
If I were a reporter now, I would make her pay for that - first, second, third, fourth questions should be about doping.
I've liked your threads of late, but here you're a bit wide of the mark. Hasay's 5000 PR is 15:37, and she ran it in 2011. She did improve her 3000 PR by eleven seconds, but setting aside whatever gains she might have made under Salazar, that was the first outdoor 3000 she's run since 2010, and probably the first where there was a rabbit. Also, I don't think her body has changed very much, if at all, since XC. Jeter, though, while being fairly sculptured since at least 2007, is now built like a tank.Here's a 2007 photo of Jeter:http://www.spokeo.com/Carmelita+Jeter+1/May+27+2007+Other+PhotosHere's one from 2012:http://london2012.photos.usatoday.com/gallery/world-record-4x100-relay-US-women/slideshow/Olympics%3A_Track_and_Field-Women%27s_4x100m_Relay-Final/0gld6zO5Pad3t
TrackCoach wrote:
dkny64 wrote:What's Hasasy biggest time drop this year? Jeter dropped 7.3% over 3 years [from age 27-30 to boot]. This would be like Hasay going from being a 32 flat 10000m runner at the beginning of 2013 to a 29:40 10000m runner by the end of 2016. And if that happens, I'll be very suspicious that some pharma help is involved.
I wasn't thinking about the 10k since Jordan did not have marks from last year; I was thinking about the 3k/5k off the top of my head. For the record, I have nothing but prasie for Jordan becasue 5 10Ks in 2 months, that's got to be a record and I don't for one second think she is dirty.
I thought she looked smaller this year and that she's 2 tenths off her usual makes me think she's 'cleaner' in 2013
You may be right.
jairoman wrote:
I thought she looked smaller this year and that she's 2 tenths off her usual makes me think she's 'cleaner' in 2013
Highly suspicious. Track athletes need to be more outspoken and out the dirty ones. Clean your sport up... seems baseball players are starting to do this in the mlb
I see your point, I like her 2007 hair much better.
Now I know where my Abs of Steel 2000 tape went too
Andy Turner the Britsh hurdler was laying into her on twitter today say she had a penis, was quite funny.
Google it if you can be arsed, i can't.
I don't know how Ohuruogo can pass a drug test. Her face is so masculine. It is so obvious that she is taking steroids and HGH. T&F is such a dirty sport.
You sound like a rockie; you do know that when a long distance athlete is cheating they get smaller. Btw, I don't think Jordan is dirty, I was just using her to make a point.
Durp! wrote:
Andy Turner the Britsh hurdler was laying into her on twitter today say she had a penis, was quite funny.
Google it if you can be arsed, i can't.
Can't find this?
dkny64 wrote:
lololol wrote:2007:
http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/carmelita_jeter_2008_03_22.jpg2012:
http://www.manfrottoschoolofxcellence.com/files/2012/10/Carmelita-Jeter.jpgIt's so obvious that she's on something now, what a joke. Didn't deserve that bronze today.
I think she was already juicing in 2007. She was born in Nov 1979 but didn't run a truly world-class time until 2007. At one point I tried to find pix of her from her college years but didn't succeed - would be very curious to see some if anyone knows of links. Her progression [per IAAF]:
2013 10.93 +0.7 London (OP) 27 JUL
2012 10.78 +1.5 London (OP) 04 AUG
2011 10.70 +2.0 Eugene, OR 04 JUN
2010 10.82 +0.4 Monaco 22 JUL
2009 10.64 +1.2 Shanghai 20 SEP
2008 10.97 +0.7 Eugene, OR 27 JUN
2007 11.02 -0.2 Osaka 27 AUG
2006 11.48 0.0 Los Angeles, CA 04 JUN
2004 11.56 +0.6 San Diego, CA 19 JUN
In other words, through age 27(!) she wasn't a world class runner, then progresses form 11.48 to 10.64 in three years.
This is the telling stat - the outrageous progression from 11.5 to 10.6 in the space of 3 years at the age of 26. She's an absolute gag.