how is the race played out in terms of lane assignments? Do they stay in their same lane for 200m, and then cut into the inside? If that's the case, I'm going to give it to Bolt, who would use his size as an advantage to force Farah to the outside (if he draws lane 1). If Farah draws lane 1, he can't hold off Bolt's size heading into the turn and would probably be cut off before he reaches the top of the curve.
Hopeful Runner wrote:
I think Bolt will stay just close enough to outkick Mo at the finish
Kick?
Do you have any idea what happens when a short sprinter attempts an effort over 60 seconds? If he is pushed beyond a jog, he will not be kicking at all. And of course Farah can and will set a fast pace.
800 analyzer wrote:
Clearly not but Mo probably has near elite 100 speed. Running 328 requires such. Bolt likely has nowhere near elite 600 ability, at least now.
I don't agree.
Bolt had trained a lot as a 400m runner. He races a 400 about once a year at least in early season -- which likely means he is still doing some 400m training -- which likely includes running a 500 or two. Don't forget he's also a 200m runner, so he is running some longer sprints like 300's.
Bolt would win anything from 600 down. 650, Mo wins.
You clearly have no understanding of athletics and the different body types, energy systems, etc. of athletes within it. Assuming you ran at some point, lets say HS with this theory keeping "elite" statuses to scale.. you are saying a kid that runs sub 350 in the 1500 could run a 10.6? You think that Mo Farah could line up next to Jeff Demps and run an "elite" 100 at 10.0 to 10.1? absolutely not. The 600 is not truly an aerobic event, it is very much more heavily an anaerobic event. Bolt ran 45.5 as a 16 year old, coasting the last few meters in, in the rain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoytL7s6kVY
which is shown at 16:38 in the video..
He has run a 30.97 300 and 19.19 in the 200..How effortless would a 21.5- 22.0 be for him to do repeats at in practice? Mo Farah is one of the best distance runners of all time with his range, definitely helping his argument with his latest 1500, and 3k performances.. But what Bolt has done in the sprints with the exception of his 400 (which his limits have been untested as an adult) is far and above in comparison to any mark Mo Farah has put down for any distance. And if you try and argue that, then there is no way you are a "proper" athletic fan and need save yourself the comment that we are all going to laugh at.
That being said..It would be very exciting but from an exercise physiology perspective, Bolts unmatched speed, relaxed natural stride length, Ego, and 400 200 base from years and years, I would have to give the win to him. I just dont see Farah running away from him in a 1 on 1 race. Bolts ability to run a fast opening 400 with such ease tips the scale. a 48-50 second 400, we are talking 24-25 splits is pedestrian. He would be in some pain but could kick off that pace for a grueling and painful but somewhat collected last 200. Versus Farah literally running all out to hit a 48 split and running a strong collected but slow last 200.
In a 500 there is absolutely no chance Farah wins. NONE.
hmmmmm lots of good ideas here
i still think Mo wins 600. Bolt cant stretch that far
If Bolty goes out in 48. He will come back in 26, its gonna be ugly.
theist without even a GED wrote:
If Bolty goes out in 48. He will come back in 26, its gonna be ugly.
That would still be enough to beat Mo.
Just remember where it started back in March of 2009 when Bekele was still on top and Moe was on JV- I think this entitles me to a free ticket somehow...
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=3196352&thread=2936357
track coefficient ratio isn't even a word. I call BS.
Google it genius.
the 800 is a fun race wrote:
track coefficient ratio isn't even a word. I call BS.
Bolt run 3:30 for the 1500m if he trained for it? You don't know your running son.
Mo 1:18, Bolt 1:20. Look at who is on the 600 all-time list and tell me a sprinter would be favored over a distance runner.
Bolt could easily get under 3:30 with a few months specific training. 55 flat pace would feel like nothing for him.
i just died inside
I think y'all are getting played...Bolt and Mo both have the same agent and he's driving up the market for both of them. At the end of the day, both win!
While I would love to see this race happen, I don't believe this will end up being an all-out race. I can't see Al Sal letting this be more than a hard workout for Mo, and Bolt risks injury by racing at a longer distance than he actually trains for. If this happens, I see it being more show than actual racing.
Bolt runs a 45.28 in the 400, I don't think Farah's gonna have the pure speed to pull this off.
this race is fantastic for the sport.
moe is now rivaling bolt as king of the track, at least in the minds of the in the know track community and probably everyone in great britain.
also moe and bolt are really unknown quantities at 600m.
moe trains over 400 and 800 sure but he can't really be sure about his 600m ability because he wasn't in the know about his real 1500m ability till last week.
bolt does run the 600m in training but it has to be slow comparatively speaking.
while bolt has excellent potential at 400m he's tuned for all out sprints with some indurance. he does struggle a bit in his 45 mid 400m attempts of late.
if bolt comes through in the 600m race in 48 he'll be ok till 500m then he's in trouble. the question is only about how much he will slow down. i',m guessing that a 48 mid plus a 13 mid second next 100m and a final 14 second 100m would be the best that bolt could do - that is without specific training.
farah can go 800m in 145 for sure now. and we have to give him a 49 flat 400m too. this is a simple calculation because no one has ever run 328 without this kind speed - at a bare minimum.
i'd seeing farah going out in 51 flat and coming home in 26.
with these scenarios playing out, bolt is the winner with farah tracking him down and barely missing him at the wire.
however with this said, i'd take moe today in the race, you have to take the man who is defying the odds and breaking the records.
final point. if bolt does the race in the middle of the off season, it would be great for him to look at some specific training for the race and he'd start to get some idea if he'd ever want to run the 400m.
at the end of the day, something will probably happen and this race won't come off.
we'll see.
Bolt will need to do some endurance training. Carl Lewis ran the 880 (yards) 0n the TV "Superstar" competition and he didn't break 2:20. This must have felt like a walk to him, but he was doubled over afterwards, with hands on his knees breathing heavily. How much lighter was Bolt when he ran the 800 in 1:57 800? 15-20 lbs? The transformation of heavy muscles on his torso will work against him past 400 m.
I just found this on a previous Letsrun posting from 2007. Note how slow times are for true sprinters. I must have seen the Carl Lewis get beaten by Evander Holyfield in 1989. Hopefully Bolt will make a race out it.
HALF MILE RUN March 24, 1985 Superstars prelim
1. Evander Holyfield 2:10.97
2. Karch Kiraly 2:14.87
3. Greg Foster 2:20.47
4. Mark Breland 2:21.83
5. Steve Lundquist 2:34.80
6. Nelson Vails DQ
HALF MILE RUN April 7, 1985 Superstars Final
1. Karch Kiraly 2:06.56
2. Evander Holyfield 2:14.8e
3. Willie Gault 2:29.9e
4. Mark Clayton 2:49.7e
5. Tony Hill 2:50.3e
HALF MILE RUN March 30, 1986 Superstars Prelim
1. James Lofton 2:07.82
2. Carl Lewis 2:10.73
3. Herschel Walker 2:15.0e
4. Roger Craig 2:27.43
5. Billy Blanks 2:30.7e
HALF MILE RUN April 20, 1986 Superstars Final
1. James Lofton 2:03.83
2. Carl Lewis 2:16.95
3. Willie Gault 2:17.0e
4. Renaldo Nehimiah 2:18.3e
5. Dusty Dvorak 2:18.4e
HALF MILE RUN April 16, 1989 Superstars Prelim
1. Evander Holyfield 2:09.88
2. Karch Kiraly 2:11.7e
3. Carl Lewis 2:24.3e
4. Gerald Young N/A
5. John Franco 2:48.00
HALF MILE RUN April 23,1989 Superstars Final
1. Willie Gault 2:10.64
2. Carl Lewis 2:12.5e
3. Tim Brown 2:14.8e
4. Evander Holyfield 2:15.6e
5. Karch Kiraly 2:26.0e
HALF MILE RUN April 15, 1990 Supestars Prelim
1. Roger Kingdom 2:16.06
2. Evander Holyfield 2:23.6e
3. Andre Ware 2:25.8e
4. Ellis Burks N/A
5. Greg Louganis 2:47.4e
6. Pedro Guerrero dnf