Everyone keeps talking about how Bolt can't be clean because he'd be .2+ better then the next clean guy etc etc... But isn't it entirely possible that either he was clean when he ran that time in 2009, or that whatever minor stimulant he used didn't help him anyways? Same with Blake, we know he tested positive in the past, but was he clean during the Olymipcs?
No. Pretty much no one that has ever run under 9.85 did it without chemical help.
I assume that he was. He only tested positive for a freaking stimulant, for Chrissakes. Unlikely that he's been on stimulants in every race he's run since before 2011 and only just got caught now.
marijuologist wrote:
I assume that he was. He only tested positive for a freaking stimulant, for Chrissakes. Unlikely that he's been on stimulants in every race he's run since before 2011 and only just got caught now.
There has been no announcement on what Tyson Gay has tested positive for.
It's The Truth wrote:
No. Pretty much no one that has ever run under 9.85 did it without chemical help.
This statement is not a "known" truth. It is conjecture which doesn't help the debate at all.
Creepy Cracker wrote:
This statement is not a "known" truth. It is conjecture which doesn't help the debate at all.
Um, the question elicits conjecture.
As for the "debate"....
The facts are quite clear. Only 1 person in history has run under 9.8 (9.85?) without testing positive. And he is the world record holder and over .2 seconds faster. rofl
Connect the dots
doubtful, he was caught by an out of competition test, right? He was gaming the system and knew how to cheat.
The only people that have run under 9.84 without testing positive for something are Usain Bolt, Nesta Carter and Mo Greene. On the other hand, Tyson Gay, Yohan Blake, Asafa Powell, Justin Gaitlin, Steve Mullins, Tim Montgomery, Ben Johnson are the others that have run under 9.84....
Sorry, but track and field sprinting is just about as clean as cycling was.
If Tyson tested positive back in May, why was he still allowed to compete?
Sprinter Tyson Gay failed more than one drug test this year, recording one of his positives at the U.S. championships in June, where he won the 100 and 200 meters, The Associated Press learned Friday.
Earlier this month, Gay revealed he tested positive in an out-of-competition test he took May 16.
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It's The Truth wrote:
The only people that have run under 9.84 without testing positive for something are Usain Bolt, Nesta Carter and Mo Greene. On the other hand, Tyson Gay, Yohan Blake, Asafa Powell, Justin Gaitlin, Steve Mullins, Tim Montgomery, Ben Johnson are the others that have run under 9.84....
Sorry, but track and field sprinting is just about as clean as cycling was.
Maurice Green didn't test positive, but ordered steroids from Angel Heredia. So the general picture is more than clear. Nobody with times under 9.80 can be clean.
If Gay tested positive multiple times over a short period it may lend credence to the theory he didn't know he was dirty.
Or not.
I, for one, still think he's clean. I mean, come one, he's busted for drinking a fvckin supplement drink? I think the drug testers are a little bit overkill at this point.
Who said he was busted for a "supplement drink"?
someone had to do it wrote:
Creepy Cracker wrote:This statement is not a "known" truth. It is conjecture which doesn't help the debate at all.
Um, the question elicits conjecture.
As for the "debate"....
The facts are quite clear. Only 1 person in history has run under 9.8 (9.85?) without testing positive. And he is the world record holder and over .2 seconds faster. rofl
Connect the dots
Only run person in history has run under 20 in the 200 as a junior. Was Bolt dirty when he was 17?
Gamera wrote:
Who said he was busted for a "supplement drink"?
That's the unofficial line coming from several sources.
I think Calvin Smith's 9.93 is probably the clean record.
Was Tim Montgomery doping when he broke 10 seconds as a junior? Granted the time was later disallowed because the track was a centimeter short, but still.
Was that back when he was training with Steve Mullings?
Sorry, but if your favourite athlete trains with a doper, there is a good chance they are also a doper.
If your favourite athlete has a coach that was a doper, there is a good chance that they are also a doper.
If your favourite athlete has a coach that has trained other athletes that were dopers, there is a good chance that they are a doper.
If your favourite athlete has a coach that was involved with other illegal or other underhand practices, that is also a sign that they might be a doper.
Bonus points for any associations with quack doctors, like anti ageing specialists.
If even one of the above apply, you should not be surprised by a positive test.
If more than one of the above apply, then believing that athlete was clean is an act of faith, not logic.
Nobody is going to run 9.69 then start doping
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Nobody is going to run 9.69 then start doping
Unless his nemesis has run 9.58.
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