The absurdity of the IAAF's insistence on times strikes again.
So Semenya, who is one of the bigger media figures in all of track and field, can't go to the World Champs an event she won in 2009 even though she's undefeated on the year simply because she didn't run .36 faster in some obscure race????
Absurd.
It says the deadline is tomorrow. If I was Semenya, I'd try again.
At today's Memorial Rasschaert in Ninove, Belgium, Semenya won the 800 m missing the B standard for Moscow by .36.
Charles Jock won the men's 800 m in 1:45.12.
The 1500 m features Will Leer and Matt Elliot - no results available yet.
http://liveresults.be/2013/rasschaert/schedule.html
LRC Note: We changed the title of this thread to reflect the fact that Semenya is apparently out of the 2013 WCs
rojo wrote:
The absurdity of the IAAF's insistence on times strikes again.
I understand what you are saying but there has to be some sort of standard, how would you handle qualification?
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I'm glad to hear this. It was wrong to let her/him compete the first time just like it was wrong to let Pistorius go to the olympics. Whether people want to admit it or not, there is an unfair advantage that isn't natural. And while it may not work favorably in this circumstance, it will be a huge advantage in the future for someone else
rojo wrote:
The absurdity of the IAAF's insistence on times strikes again.
So Semenya, who is one of the bigger media figures in all of track and field, can't go to the World Champs an event she won in 2009 even though she's undefeated on the year simply because she didn't run .36 faster in some obscure race????
Absurd.
It says the deadline is tomorrow. If I was Semenya, I'd try again.
He's undefeated because he hasn't raced any strong comp this year till now. Wasn't one of his results a 2:06? Many athletes have just missed qualifying times and they don't get arbitrarily advanced to major competitions. And he's one of the biggest media figures because he's controversial, is that how track needs to be marketed?
Semenya and her people understood that getting a qualifying time was paramount. I don't understand why she didn't run in London against Martinez and co. - surely she would have been accepted into the race.
and BTW all of the troglodytes who insist on misgendering her only make themselves appear foolish.
what is absurd about requiring someone to run 2:01.5 to be admitted to the world championships? the window is very large and it's not like 2:01.5 is a competitive at the world stage.
being undefeated against horrible competition is meaningless and makes you guys look like idiots by mentioning it. you guys look like even bigger idiots by citing her being a "media figure" in track and field as a reason to let her in. why not let in the chilean miners or LA because they are even bigger media figures? she had months to run 2:01.5 and couldn't do it so she can watch like us.
looks like the hormones they made him take are working well enough. They should make Jeter take them too.
IAAF is absurd for not allowing somebody who isn't qualified in? That's the dumbest thing I've heard this week. "You aren't good enough, but people know you, so here's a free pass anyway so we can get publicity and money". How about no. Qualifying is what the sport is about, not being famous. This isn't American television where the worse you are the more well-known you are. You don't qualify, you don't go. Simple as that. There's a reason Bolt's DQ wasn't immediately excused and why Webb isn't making teams.
Race footage of 800 and 1500m races in Ninove are here:
Tgirl wrote:
all of the troglodytes who insist on misgendering her only make themselves appear foolish.
That's the most back ackwards comment that I"ve ever seen.
hoste91 wrote:
Race footage of 800 and 1500m races in Ninove are here:
http://wp.me/p3eeyU-2li
What is going on? That's the weirdest race I've ever seen. It's almost as if Semenya's agent doesn't want her going to Worlds. No rabbits.
SHe was dead last the entire race. Ran most of it in lane two. Goes from last to first in the span of 80 meters. She EASILY can run 2:01.50 in the right race.
If that's the case, there must be something going on as to why she isn't going to worlds. Why would you miss worlds if you can time trial a flat 2 minutes (60-60) in lane one?!
I'll admit, I reckon she had high testosterone from testes not ovaries, the whole thing should have been handled better (totally as a science issue and not so public, don't know if the country federation is to blame here or what), as it fell into the trap of persecuting a young black woman in south africe, which confused all, and I'm not sure if results were released properly or what. But since that period (1:55 made to look easy), she's been a lot slower, despite having a great coach (Mutola) who arguably had the clean WR IMO (1:55s). If I remember correctly, Meadows was 4th in that WC event - I think she deserved a medal there. Constantly trying to chase impossible times led to her overtraining to injury and missing OG 12 (Surely they knew their competition is bogus).
This also leads me onto qual times - they should not take into account bogus WRs when setting standards - it should go from 1:54/5 and not JK's jk 1:53. 2:01.50 would be 6-7 seconds off WR IMO, they could set it at 7.5-10 seconds off rather than what 8 seconds off a bogus WR. Championship races tend to be slow and kick contests nowadays as well.
wr potential wrote:
This also leads me onto qual times - they should not take into account bogus WRs when setting standards
They don't. Had the WR been 1:50 the standards would still have been the same.
But if 100 women had broken 1:57 last year the standards would now be significantly lower. No matter what the world record happens to be.
rojo wrote:
hoste91 wrote:Race footage of 800 and 1500m races in Ninove are here:
http://wp.me/p3eeyU-2liWhat is going on? That's the weirdest race I've ever seen. It's almost as if Semenya's agent doesn't want her going to Worlds. No rabbits.
SHe was dead last the entire race. Ran most of it in lane two. Goes from last to first in the span of 80 meters. She EASILY can run 2:01.50 in the right race.
It looked like she was not trying. She ran easy for 700m and then kicked it in. If she really wanted to get the time, she would have gone out in front and got the time. She held back.
Tgirl wrote:
...and BTW all of the troglodytes who insist on misgendering her only make themselves appear foolish.
Maybe, but only to a point. To call her/him a "her" only and refuse to look at the science which clearly shows the Xxy chromosome is also an error of of mis-gendering. So, to land on any one side definitively is also a foolish thing to do. But I bet you FEEL good about yourself and smugly afford yourself moral superiority as a result. Very foolish!
For some time time I've been sensing Semenya just doesn't want the spot light. And I'd understand that. Just make enough money to help her family out, as her duty.
She almost made the B limit by accident. Others in the race were looking for even tougher national limits, but that was one weird clustered race.
Semenya wasn't packed in though, simply off the back.
And there WAS a rabbit, hired to aim for 59.5 last time I read. See her stepping out at 430m or so.
Skater wrote:
For some time time I've been sensing Semenya just doesn't want the spot light. And I'd understand that. Just make enough money to help her family out, as her duty.
Excellent point.