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that guy from Germany
Go figure: Caster Semenya remains undefeated - wins in Belgium in 2:01.86 - but won't be going to Worlds. 7/28/2013 12:08AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
At today's Memorial Rasschaert in Ninove, Belgium, Semenya won the 800 m missing the B standard for Moscow by .36.

Charles Jock won the men's 800 m in 1:45.12.

The 1500 m features Will Leer and Matt Elliot - no results available yet.

http://liveresults.be/2013/rasschaert/schedule.html

LRC Note: We changed the title of this thread to reflect the fact that Semenya is apparently out of the 2013 WCs
rojo
co-founder
RE: Caster Semenya 2:01.86 in Belgium 7/28/2013 12:02AM - in reply to Out Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The absurdity of the IAAF's insistence on times strikes again.

So Semenya, who is one of the bigger media figures in all of track and field, can't go to the World Champs an event she won in 2009 even though she's undefeated on the year simply because she didn't run .36 faster in some obscure race????

Absurd.

It says the deadline is tomorrow. If I was Semenya, I'd try again.
Pat Henry Rono
RE: Caster Semenya 2:01.86 in Belgium 7/28/2013 12:15AM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

rojo wrote:

The absurdity of the IAAF's insistence on times strikes again.


I understand what you are saying but there has to be some sort of standard, how would you handle qualification?
J.R.
RE: Caster Semenya 2:01.86 in Belgium 7/28/2013 12:18AM - in reply to Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
"As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube.

"Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames."
Creepy Cracker
RE: Go figuCaster Semenya remains undefeated - wins in Belgium in 2:01.86 - but won't be going to Worlds. 7/28/2013 1:15AM - in reply to that guy from Germany Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'm glad to hear this. It was wrong to let her/him compete the first time just like it was wrong to let Pistorius go to the olympics. Whether people want to admit it or not, there is an unfair advantage that isn't natural. And while it may not work favorably in this circumstance, it will be a huge advantage in the future for someone else
a is for salad
RE: Caster Semenya 2:01.86 in Belgium 7/28/2013 8:30AM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

rojo wrote:

The absurdity of the IAAF's insistence on times strikes again.

So Semenya, who is one of the bigger media figures in all of track and field, can't go to the World Champs an event she won in 2009 even though she's undefeated on the year simply because she didn't run .36 faster in some obscure race????

Absurd.

It says the deadline is tomorrow. If I was Semenya, I'd try again.


He's undefeated because he hasn't raced any strong comp this year till now. Wasn't one of his results a 2:06? Many athletes have just missed qualifying times and they don't get arbitrarily advanced to major competitions. And he's one of the biggest media figures because he's controversial, is that how track needs to be marketed?
Tgirl
RE: Caster Semenya 2:01.86 in Belgium 7/28/2013 8:55AM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Semenya and her people understood that getting a qualifying time was paramount. I don't understand why she didn't run in London against Martinez and co. - surely she would have been accepted into the race.

and BTW all of the troglodytes who insist on misgendering her only make themselves appear foolish.
whatthe?
RE: Caster Semenya 2:01.86 in Belgium 7/28/2013 9:21AM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
what is absurd about requiring someone to run 2:01.5 to be admitted to the world championships? the window is very large and it's not like 2:01.5 is a competitive at the world stage.

being undefeated against horrible competition is meaningless and makes you guys look like idiots by mentioning it. you guys look like even bigger idiots by citing her being a "media figure" in track and field as a reason to let her in. why not let in the chilean miners or LA because they are even bigger media figures? she had months to run 2:01.5 and couldn't do it so she can watch like us.
peripheral gonadotropy
RE: Go figuCaster Semenya remains undefeated - wins in Belgium in 2:01.86 - but won't be going to Worlds. 7/28/2013 9:39AM - in reply to Creepy Cracker Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
looks like the hormones they made him take are working well enough. They should make Jeter take them too.
logicrunner
RE: Go figuCaster Semenya remains undefeated - wins in Belgium in 2:01.86 - but won't be going to Worlds. 7/28/2013 9:46AM - in reply to that guy from Germany Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
IAAF is absurd for not allowing somebody who isn't qualified in? That's the dumbest thing I've heard this week. "You aren't good enough, but people know you, so here's a free pass anyway so we can get publicity and money". How about no. Qualifying is what the sport is about, not being famous. This isn't American television where the worse you are the more well-known you are. You don't qualify, you don't go. Simple as that. There's a reason Bolt's DQ wasn't immediately excused and why Webb isn't making teams.
hoste91
RE: Go figuCaster Semenya remains undefeated - wins in Belgium in 2:01.86 - but won't be going to Worlds. 7/28/2013 10:27AM - in reply to that guy from Germany Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Race footage of 800 and 1500m races in Ninove are here:
http://wp.me/p3eeyU-2li
my blue nose is not blue
RE: Caster Semenya 2:01.86 in Belgium 7/28/2013 10:55AM - in reply to Tgirl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Tgirl wrote:

all of the troglodytes who insist on misgendering her only make themselves appear foolish.


That's the most back ackwards comment that I"ve ever seen.
rojo
co-founder
RE: Go figure: Caster Semenya remains undefeated - wins in Belgium in 2:01.86 - but won't be going to Worlds. 7/28/2013 11:46AM - in reply to hoste91 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

hoste91 wrote:

Race footage of 800 and 1500m races in Ninove are here:
http://wp.me/p3eeyU-2li


What is going on? That's the weirdest race I've ever seen. It's almost as if Semenya's agent doesn't want her going to Worlds. No rabbits.

SHe was dead last the entire race. Ran most of it in lane two. Goes from last to first in the span of 80 meters. She EASILY can run 2:01.50 in the right race.
wr potential
RE: Go figuCaster Semenya remains undefeated - wins in Belgium in 2:01.86 - but won't be going to Worlds. 7/28/2013 12:08PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If that's the case, there must be something going on as to why she isn't going to worlds. Why would you miss worlds if you can time trial a flat 2 minutes (60-60) in lane one?!

I'll admit, I reckon she had high testosterone from testes not ovaries, the whole thing should have been handled better (totally as a science issue and not so public, don't know if the country federation is to blame here or what), as it fell into the trap of persecuting a young black woman in south africe, which confused all, and I'm not sure if results were released properly or what. But since that period (1:55 made to look easy), she's been a lot slower, despite having a great coach (Mutola) who arguably had the clean WR IMO (1:55s). If I remember correctly, Meadows was 4th in that WC event - I think she deserved a medal there. Constantly trying to chase impossible times led to her overtraining to injury and missing OG 12 (Surely they knew their competition is bogus).

This also leads me onto qual times - they should not take into account bogus WRs when setting standards - it should go from 1:54/5 and not JK's jk 1:53. 2:01.50 would be 6-7 seconds off WR IMO, they could set it at 7.5-10 seconds off rather than what 8 seconds off a bogus WR. Championship races tend to be slow and kick contests nowadays as well.
VoR
RE: Go figuCaster Semenya remains undefeated - wins in Belgium in 2:01.86 - but won't be going to Worlds. 7/28/2013 12:14PM - in reply to wr potential Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

wr potential wrote:

This also leads me onto qual times - they should not take into account bogus WRs when setting standards

They don't. Had the WR been 1:50 the standards would still have been the same.

But if 100 women had broken 1:57 last year the standards would now be significantly lower. No matter what the world record happens to be.
bobby sss
RE: Go figuCaster Semenya remains undefeated - wins in Belgium in 2:01.86 - but won't be going to Worlds. 7/28/2013 12:29PM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

rojo wrote:


hoste91 wrote:

Race footage of 800 and 1500m races in Ninove are here:
http://wp.me/p3eeyU-2li


What is going on? That's the weirdest race I've ever seen. It's almost as if Semenya's agent doesn't want her going to Worlds. No rabbits.

SHe was dead last the entire race. Ran most of it in lane two. Goes from last to first in the span of 80 meters. She EASILY can run 2:01.50 in the right race.


It looked like she was not trying. She ran easy for 700m and then kicked it in. If she really wanted to get the time, she would have gone out in front and got the time. She held back.
Creepy Cracker
RE: Caster Semenya 2:01.86 in Belgium 7/28/2013 2:00PM - in reply to Tgirl Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Tgirl wrote:

...and BTW all of the troglodytes who insist on misgendering her only make themselves appear foolish.


Maybe, but only to a point. To call her/him a "her" only and refuse to look at the science which clearly shows the Xxy chromosome is also an error of of mis-gendering. So, to land on any one side definitively is also a foolish thing to do. But I bet you FEEL good about yourself and smugly afford yourself moral superiority as a result. Very foolish!
Skater
RE: Caster Semenya 2:01.86 in Belgium 7/28/2013 4:00PM - in reply to Creepy Cracker Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
For some time time I've been sensing Semenya just doesn't want the spot light. And I'd understand that. Just make enough money to help her family out, as her duty.
She almost made the B limit by accident. Others in the race were looking for even tougher national limits, but that was one weird clustered race.
Semenya wasn't packed in though, simply off the back.
And there WAS a rabbit, hired to aim for 59.5 last time I read. See her stepping out at 430m or so.
bobby saa
RE: Caster Semenya 2:01.86 in Belgium 7/28/2013 4:09PM - in reply to Skater Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Skater wrote:

For some time time I've been sensing Semenya just doesn't want the spot light. And I'd understand that. Just make enough money to help her family out, as her duty.



Excellent point.
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