Matt Centrowitz and Steve Holman

I have Holman's autograph. Got it at Pre maybe mid 90's. Happy. He was really cool about it. But, at the same meet, Carl Lewis was a jerk.

trump? wrote:

ttc wrote:

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Holman was an Olympian, National Champion & World Top 10. Whether you approve or not, he's a Senior Executive for a respected company.

If you could make $$ off a trade, you'd do it without hesitation.

Who are you, Steve's butler? Why do you think I give a crap how much Steve makes at Vanguard? You don't know me so you have no idea what I would or would not do.

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You'd do a trade in a heartbeat if it made you $$$. And Trump being a douche (true or not) has nothing to do with it. He is an elite businessman- the most credible to note a top school. So what's your next reply? 2+2=5?

ttc wrote:

trump? wrote:

Who are you, Steve's butler? Why do you think I give a crap how much Steve makes at Vanguard? You don't know me so you have no idea what I would or would not do.

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You'd do a trade in a heartbeat if it made you $$$. And Trump being a douche (true or not) has nothing to do with it. He is an elite businessman- the most credible to note a top school. So what's your next reply? 2+2=5?

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You sound like a douche who apparently cares only about money, no wonder you are a Trump fan. I don't need Trump to tell me Wharton is a good school.

What do you mean I would do a trade, a stock trade? That doesn't address my point. the stock market isn't an efficient means anymore of allocating capital, its a glorified casino run my swindlers, con men, and sociopaths.

Tom Barnyard wrote:

Gwol wrote:

That's funny. I call him Matt on campus.

Weird, cause I call them both "Matty" when I see them at the driving range.

i call him big papi in bed

...The stock market isn't an efficient means anymore of allocating capital, its a glorified casino run my swindlers, con men, and sociopaths.

+1 ^^

Truer words have rarely been typed on this forum.

John O'Donnell wrote:

I was one of the few fans in the Atlanta Olympic stadium for the last day of the Trials in 1996, and I saw Holman, the preeminent American miler at the time, get passed by about half the field in the last 300 meters of the 1,500 final.

Did you hear Gags screaming? I remember Gags moaning or something like he was watching a car accident.

I couldn't find the 1996 trials semifinal, but in the final, they were out slow after a 2nd lap of 63.6 and then they ran 56.5 and closed in around 40 (last lap around 53) and Holman was third with 200m to go and just got destroyed by the field. He looked tired. Maybe kicking too hard in the semis didn't help but there's no indicated of mentally locking up. He could never do well in kicker's races, whether Europe or the U.S.

was there as well wrote:

John O'Donnell wrote:

I was one of the few fans in the Atlanta Olympic stadium for the last day of the Trials in 1996, and I saw Holman, the preeminent American miler at the time, get passed by about half the field in the last 300 meters of the 1,500 final.

Did you hear Gags screaming? I remember Gags moaning or something like he was watching a car accident.

I was there too, working with NBC Sports.

I watched and thought "predictable," and "sad."

The Michael Johnson 200m was a shocker...and then again in the OGs.

good to see steve getting some defenders here--letsrun can be merciless, even to a guy who was an ncaa champ, olympian, national champ, 2x world team member, 3:50 miler, and 3:31 1500m dude.

undoubtedly, he failed in certain races, and '96 would be one of them. his kick, however, was formidable, as he showed in '92, and in the semis in '96 (i was one of his victims). unfortunately, there were better kickers in mcmullen and sorenson, and on any other day, most of the rest of those in the final had good kicks. the milers' curse is they all think they can outkick the other, and SOME times, they're right. spivey is generally well-regarded for his kick, but fell victim to the curse as well, yet no one ever questions his mental fortitude (nor should they). sorenson and herrington had great kicks, but neither won a national title. also, at least early in on a kick, there can be a feast or famine attitude--when you know/think you ain't got, it's easy to go backwards...

to say he wasn't mentally tough, though, sure is a relative term. i could have lived with his lack of mental toughness. maybe he wasn't as tough as contemporary bob kennedy, but he was still tougher than most american milers in his day, and i'd wager tougher than most anonymous posters on letsrun.

and, if you think "just following" in euro races requires no mental toughness--jeez, you'd think everyone could run 3:31 with the right field and conditions!

as for centro--wow, he's got a lot of tools to work with, but only time will tell whether he'll have a career as full (or empty, as some would believe) as holman's. i was impressed with his monaco performance--i guess you've made it when 3:33 is a disappointment, and he had the guts to try and hang with the front pack. however, i also remember when another duck, wheating, was our next lord and savior--this sport ain't for the faint of heart...

that's my story and i'm sticking to it...

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

and possible future past hardware (Makloufi/Iguider).

Yes because only the Americans are clean!

Tom Barnyard wrote:

Gwol wrote:

That's funny. I call him Matt on campus.

Weird, cause I call them both "Matty" when I see them at the driving range.

Odd, I call them both Mattarinio when I see them fly fishing.

I love posts like this from people who were really there. Thank you.

Dude of course I didn't forget the Viking speed suit wearing Centro. The guy is brilliant but Centro's race in Daegu puts him ahead. Centro was not supposed to medal there. He then had a poor lead up to the Olympics. When he gets there he puts himself in perfect position to finish forth and just miss a medal. He knew that going with everyone from 400 out was suicidal and that he was going to have to be patient so he could blow by them while they tied up at the line. Most guys don't have that kind of presence of mind when they are in their first Olympic final. If Henrik gets top 5 again this year then I might give him the bump over Centro.

Larry Dickman wrote:

Tom Barnyard wrote:

Weird, cause I call them both "Matty" when I see them at the driving range.

Odd, I call them both Mattarinio when I see them fly fishing.

I CALL HIM BIG PAPI IN BED

Gay Marxist wrote:

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

and possible future past hardware (Makloufi/Iguider).

Yes because only the Americans are clean!

Makhloufi is out of the World's with a "virus," he destroyed the field last year, and middle distance runners from Algeria and Morocco have a terrible record with systematic doping. In fact, Aden's whole camp seems to be out of world's. And an apparently credible source says that two Olympic gold medalists from Africa are out of World's because of anomalies in testing. No one's above suspicion, but Centro's always been a great kicker and in his short career, he's already won several NCAA and USATF championships, made two world and one Olympic team, won a world bronze, and nearly won an Olympic bronze. His pr at 1500m is also comparable to Holman's, so he's already got the superior career. Holman was the best we had, which is why it was so frustrating that he struggled to qualify against 3:40 guys.