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Tracknut
Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 2:52PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Looked like he grabbed his leg on the backstretch of the last lap? Never seemed to really be in it. And Leo cleans up as usual at garbage time...
last race
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 2:57PM - in reply to Tracknut Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Please explain

When Centro kicks hard he is a master tactician. But when Manzano does it he is running a garbage race,
ttc
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 3:01PM - in reply to last race Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Manzano's an Olympic Silver Medalist. He's the best.
worst poster
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 3:23PM - in reply to Tracknut Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Garbage time? LMAO
odelltrclan
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 3:29PM - in reply to ttc Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Wouldn't that be second best?
dsuud
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 3:32PM - in reply to last race Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

last race wrote:

Please explain

When Centro kicks hard he is a master tactician. But when Manzano does it he is running a garbage race,




He said garbage time not garbage race.
wejo
co-founder
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 3:32PM - in reply to odelltrclan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
He pulled up with about 250 to go and it appeared to be his hamstring.

He limped through the mixed zone and no one spoke to him.

I talked to his agent Ricky Simms. He indicated Matt's training has been going very well.

He's got a little over a month to recover from whatever the problem is.
Parisian Insider
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 4:11PM - in reply to wejo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Looks like a pretty serious hamstring issue for Centro. Question now is what treatment plan to follow. Hearing its a 4-6 week type injury so he may be struggling to even make the Worlds much less be healthy enough to train.
WidestReceiver
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 4:27PM - in reply to Tracknut Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I don't think it was his hamstring, I think he just couldn't handle it. He's so used to winning slow races with his kick a lot this year that when a race goes out hard he wimped out.

He's not a mature, professional runner in my opinion. Cocky and arrogant.
J.R.
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 4:31PM - in reply to WidestReceiver Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If that is truly his hamstring then he should consider giving up his place on the team.
the clarifier
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 4:34PM - in reply to WidestReceiver Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

WidestReceiver wrote:

I don't think it was his hamstring, I think he just couldn't handle it. He's so used to winning slow races with his kick a lot this year that when a race goes out hard he wimped out.

He's not a mature, professional runner in my opinion. Cocky and arrogant.


Your expert analysis is based on what?
150M
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 4:53PM - in reply to the clarifier Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I don't know the clarifier, I would guess his analysis is based on Centro going out in 54 at Millrose, or last year, after regaining fitness, running 3:31 in the 1500m.

So what he is saying is, based on evidence, Centro can't run fast or get out aggressively.

Note to WidestReceiver -- even in fast races, Centro places himself in the top half of the race to give himself a chance for the win. So he has to go out as fast the race goes....
Noregon
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 4:57PM - in reply to ttc Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

ttc wrote:

Manzano's an Olympic Silver Medalist. He's the best.



What are you talking about? Everyone knows the Oregon #3 1500 guy could take him. If you aren't Oregon you're not fast, plain and simple.
Nike Schooling You
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 5:03PM - in reply to Noregon Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
While this may be true about Oregon runners, it isn't a certainty. Oregon has had some very serious middle distance runners these past years, but Manzano may be as fast, albeit not as consistent.
Marta L
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 5:28PM - in reply to WidestReceiver Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

WidestReceiver wrote:

I don't think it was his hamstring, I think he just couldn't handle it. He's so used to winning slow races with his kick a lot this year that when a race goes out hard he wimped out.

He's not a mature, professional runner in my opinion. Cocky and arrogant.


This.

He's easily my least favorite pro runner. Completely piss-poor attitude and lack of respect for his competitors.

He always runs without any balls too - which is why he'll never win an international race.
Duck Hunt
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 5:31PM - in reply to Nike Schooling You Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Karma for A Duck running his mouth perhaps?
light_em_up
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 5:52PM - in reply to Duck Hunt Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
so what's the situation on who goes to the world championships? if centro only gets the B, does he alone go?
Harry Carey
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 6:29PM - in reply to light_em_up Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If you don't like Centrowitz based on his "attitude" as demonstrated by celebrating after races (heaven forbid), that's one thing, but you have to be very selective with your evidence to disparage his racing habits.

Centrowitz has done well keying off of runners, if that's what you're referring to, but that's a reality of middle distance running. There's nothing wrong with a runner being aware of his fitness and trying to shoot for more even splits in a Diamond League race, which is always going to go out fast, than ridiculously positive ones as a way of optimizing his performance. Certainly that's what happened at Lausanne last year, and the result was a top 3 finish and a 3:31 PR.

And if you want to use that as evidence that Centro isn't aggressive, then what about his race today at Paris, when he was pretty aggressive from the get go; or his race at Millrose, where he went out in 1:53-54; and DL meet last year at Brussels, where he finished in the top 4 and hung out in the front 4-6 of the pack for all of the race?

The truth of the matter is Centro is so good in part because he's able to adapt his race plan to whatever the occasion requires. But it sounds like some people here just want him to have the one tactic of going out hard as he can right from the bell, which would somehow be more heroic or noble. But in the 1500, it would also be a lot less successful.
runn
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 6:40PM - in reply to Harry Carey Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Harry Carey wrote:

If you don't like Centrowitz based on his "attitude" as demonstrated by celebrating after races (heaven forbid), that's one thing, but you have to be very selective with your evidence to disparage his racing habits.

Centrowitz has done well keying off of runners, if that's what you're referring to, but that's a reality of middle distance running. There's nothing wrong with a runner being aware of his fitness and trying to shoot for more even splits in a Diamond League race, which is always going to go out fast, than ridiculously positive ones as a way of optimizing his performance. Certainly that's what happened at Lausanne last year, and the result was a top 3 finish and a 3:31 PR.

And if you want to use that as evidence that Centro isn't aggressive, then what about his race today at Paris, when he was pretty aggressive from the get go; or his race at Millrose, where he went out in 1:53-54; and DL meet last year at Brussels, where he finished in the top 4 and hung out in the front 4-6 of the pack for all of the race?

The truth of the matter is Centro is so good in part because he's able to adapt his race plan to whatever the occasion requires. But it sounds like some people here just want him to have the one tactic of going out hard as he can right from the bell, which would somehow be more heroic or noble. But in the 1500, it would also be a lot less successful.


You really have to just ignore the a**holes on here who are critical of American runners when they lose and then are even more critical when they win.
Hopefully, Centro isn't hurt too bad but if he is I hope Elliott gets his spot.
We have to send 3 healthy runners to Moscow and not repeat what happened in the marathon in London.
Oakie Sooner
RE: Centro DNF Paris 1500? 7/6/2013 6:56PM - in reply to the clarifier Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Agreed that Centro does not drop out of races unless something is wrong injury wise. He was very healthy apparently, leading into this race. Hopefully, it is a hamstring twinge and he can be ready to go again in two or three weeks.
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