They were better in college. How does that work when now they have more time and resources to dedicate to training?
They were better in college. How does that work when now they have more time and resources to dedicate to training?
I should know better than to respond to this. I what world has this guy stagnated?
noticer of the obvious wrote:
They were better in college. How does that work when now they have more time and resources to dedicate to training?
Wheating and Andrews both make too much money.
Dammit!
Is the 2013 season over already?
I missed it!
Tell me what happened.
Wheating and Andrews are in the wrong event. They were both better 800 runners.
Centro is getting better at the 1500 and he'll be an Olympican at 5k in 2020.
There's an epidemic of softness in American boys right now. When they grow beyond 20, improvements are not so easy and it takes cold hard discipline day after day even when setbacks occur. Instead, it's more likely to spot a talented young man comforting himself with a fatty burger or potato chips after a bad race.
noticer of the obvious wrote:
They were better in college. How does that work when now they have more time and resources to dedicate to training?
I think it's hard for everyone in the sport to deal with the fact that at some point the steady improvement that comes with age normally stops. To me running is not about how fast you are currently - it's about when do you stop improving. If you are 20 and a 13:20 guy but are going to improve 5 seconds per year for the next four years, it doesn't matter that there is a 13:10 21 year old that is better than you if he isn't going to improve.
That being said, I think some perspective is needed here.
Centro was third at World's in 2011 and 4th at the Olympics in 2012. There is a cap on human performance and there can only be one winner. So he's stagnated at third in the world?? That's a bad thing.
What do you want him to do?? Do you think everyone who is top 5 in the world should keep improving. Centro is ahead of where he was last year and should be just find this year in my mind.
Wheating: Yes, he's taken a huge step back from the 3:30.90. But a very prominent coach told me recently, "I always say throw out your best time ever, it's an outlier and doesn't count." I'd never thought of it that way.
Look at time #2. Wheating's time #2 is 3:34.39.
Andrews - yes we say he's struggling in our weekly recap today:
http://www.letsrun.com/news/?p=6167That being said, if I'm vig, i try to get Andrews to understand some perspective. In the last year, he's gone from 3:40 to 3:34.78. That huge improvement.
He could stay in the 800 as others have said and enjoy more current success, but he'd probably end up like Nick Symmonds - probably never going to get a medal as the raw speed just isn't there to run 1:42 consistently.
I think he's doing the right thing. It's just not easy.
But Andrews has good wheels. He's a competitor. If he can finish top 3 at USAs, he can chase the time in Europe. Time Trials aren't his thing.
Centrowitz has not stagnated.
http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/matthew-centrowitz-228630#progression
Forgive me for my forgetfulness, I am trying to recall Centro's season last year. He was hurt last year with a knee injury, correct? When did he run the A-standard in comparison to the trials?
Also, didn't Wheating have a long bout with injury? I recall his video showing how well he was handling the situation...
Centrowitz doesn't belong in that category, but in the case of wheating, the problem is too much guaranteed money. If he actually had to race for a living, you would see more and better performances from him.
I'm confident in believing Centro would have been on the podium without that knee injury. It wasn't a major injury. But you could tell it put him behind schedule in building up for the Olympics. He just couldn't quite catch up to where he could have been. Salazar was probably smart to not try and rush him back.
Wheating has made every US team since college and improved upon his PRs.
Centrowitz made a huge improvement to 3:31 last year.
Andrews made a big jump to 3:34 after college.
None of them were better in college.
Wheating has been plagued with injuries. Andrews has hardly been a pro long enough to call him out as stagnating. Centro's best is yet to come. I do not think he fully understands how gifted a runner he is. His experience at the Olympics will hopefully set him up well to rise to the top and challenge the best (all bets off if Asbel keeps it up, though).
It's preposterous to claim that Centrowitz has stagnated.
just sayin wrote:
Wheating and Andrews are in the wrong event. They were both better 800 runners.
Centro is getting better at the 1500 and he'll be an Olympican at 5k in 2020.
Please show me the long list of Americans who have run 3:30. Wheating is in the right event. I have no idea what's going on with Andrews.
Andrews ended up in no man's land under coach Vig, training with and being influenced by Webb:
"(Alan Webb) works so hard. Compared to college guys, it's crazy how hard he works. Just what he does on a daily basis. I never thought about walking around the grounds to classes and whatnot as a bad thing, but he counts how many steps he takes a day so he doesn't walk too much and his legs aren't too tired. And I'm like, 'Wow, I never thought about that.' It's just all about little things like that which I took for granted before."
Remember Webb and Solinsky's first 5k and Webb jumping around and being Webb and Solinsky trying to ignore him?
Only Galen Rupp the amazing gamer that he is has showed the ability to be success around Webb on a daily basis.