Asbel Kiprop 1500m WR Attempt in Monaco: Is he the man for sub 3:26?

deanouk wrote:I think we've yet to see a clean run under 3:28

nonsense

why not 3'29 or 3'30 or 3'31 ???

I would be surprised if Kiprop runs below 3:28 in Monaco, although it seems a very fast track when looking at previous results there over the distance

what fast track ???

the track record is 3'27.34 by hicham, which he beat 6 times

He may inprove his pb of 3:28.8, but only if he's given even pace to bell and/or he has company on the last lap.

he needs no company

his 3'28 was a kick from before the bell to lead & he went 53

he needs even pace to bell in 2'32/2'33 & he can get a 3'27

Octa Gon wrote:

if you trust your anti-dopping agencies to catch the guys that we already know

Lance.

I don't think dopers who aren't caught should be banned, but I don't believe anyone at world-leading levels isn't doping. There may be a few, but I don't know who, so any particular one probably is.

The drop in performances at all distances from 800 to marathon between the mid-80's and early 90's is circumstantial evidence that they're all doping and always have been.

Drugs are so embedded in sports culture that "innocent until proven guilty" only applies on a technical level. People want proof of innocence, not lack of evidence of guilt. Until there can be proof of innocence, everyone will be suspect. Today's elites can't really complain about that, because that's how it's been since they were born. They knew what they were getting into.

this tells me that Kiprop is aerobically challenged. a winter base of 100-150 mpw would make him a 3.24 guy.

I think he could own the 5k.

I don't think he will get the record(though it would be amzing if he does) but he is the man with the best chance, apartfrom possibly centrowitz in a few years if he rly steps it up

ventolin^3 wrote:

what fast track ???

the track record is 3'27.34 by hicham, which he beat 6 times

So what?

His 3.27.34 that day is incredible fast, just because he was MORE fit other days doesn't mean that this track is slow. Doesn't make great evidence for it being fast either, but you base your arguments on too little.

lydiard=genius wrote:

I don't think he will get the record(though it would be amzing if he does) but he is the man with the best chance, apartfrom possibly centrowitz in a few years if he rly steps it up

I like Centro, but he has shown no sign of being capable of such times.

Barakus Obama wrote:1. Ryun was not 'helluva' lot faster than 3.30

he was

helluva ++

faster guy than 3'30

Are you saying that you don't think El G was doping?

no

there is a not insignificant non-zero probability he doped

it's not a 100% non-zero

just sayin wrote:

ventolin

do you not not that drugs help prevent injury

and recover from injury

and recover from training

and train harder

?????????????? just sayin like

why do you post so much when you don't know basic stuff like this

It's hard to say for sure --- Sprintgeezer seems certain they cause injury.

what a dick with all the crossing down the stretch, even on the turn. if i was the guy in 2nd i'd slap him. religious tool. he's probably doped too. assuming he's pure and the rest are tainted -- naive and stupid

Whether he was on dope/EPO or not, El G was a demon from the 800 meter mark on in a 1500. The man crushed the third lap in races fast, and in slower competitive races. His Olympic win saw a 53 third lap. Boom.

I'm a huge Kiprop fan, I love watching him run -- but man, in his most recdent race he ran like a tired high schooler on that critical third lap!

I think Kiprop can PR this year, given a competitive third lap or a competent rabbit situation. I don't know about a WR thought. I'd love to see it but I ain't holding my breath.

If I was Asbel, I'd more be pointing to A)stay healthy and B) Timeing my peak for Moscow!

ventolin^3 wrote:

no proof of this

drug-testing was primitive in '60's/'70s & no OOC tests

I which case surely the athletes from the 60's, including a Ryun who you believed was capable of 3:24, should be more suspect as dopers than those in the 80s and after?

Wasn't steroids legal in the 60's anyway, and without any testing at that time they could all have been on something. At least there were out of competition testing in some European countries from the early 80's and by that time steroids were illegal. All championship medallists and world record performances also had to pass drug tests from the late 70's early 80's onwards.

ventolin^3 wrote:

only a fool woud believe this

it was never about just money

it was about getting a gold or wr or proving "superiority" of a political system

incentive to dope has not changed in 50++y

LOL.

Yes it has. There is far more money involved in the sport now than even 20 or 30 years ago.

The majority of dopers in the 70's and 80s were from countries wishing to prove their political superiority as you say. This isn't the case so much today. It's all about greed.

In the 70's and 80's the non communist athletes got into a sport where there was little money to be made and where most were still amateurs holding down a job or studying. Now they are all full time professionals.

'his 3'28 was a kick from before the bell to lead & he went 53'

El G used to take it out a lot further than there. Going from the bell is hardly the mark of a front runner

You would never see any of the recent world record holders for the mile or 1500m loitering around at the back. Ovett '84 was stuffed a lot more than Kiprop '12 but he still got in a decent position at the bell

Am I the only one who thought Kiprop blew the third lap on purpose? It seemed like he wanted to test his kick on the final lap.

I highly doubt he would accidentally let himself get moved down 8 spots at the bell when he clearly had plenty left. Kiprop's win was one of the most impressive I've seen in a while.

Optimus wrote:

Am I the only one who thought Kiprop blew the third lap on purpose? It seemed like he wanted to test his kick on the final lap.

I highly doubt he would accidentally let himself get moved down 8 spots at the bell when he clearly had plenty left. Kiprop's win was one of the most impressive I've seen in a while.

Yes.

I mean, "No, you are not the only one who thought that." Why the hell else would he have dawdled on that third lap?

'Am I the only one who thought Kiprop blew the third lap on purpose? It seemed like he wanted to test his kick on the final lap.'

On here I doubt it.

If the others had not run so badly on the last lap his kick would have cost him money

He has done the same loads of times so unless he constantly wants to test his kick it's not likely

He could have tested his kick by moving away from the field!

Kiprop has had a great career of winning races but he does not have the mentality of an El G or Coe in the sense that he just does not care very much about time and does not seek to hammer the pace on the third lap or stick with the pacers earlier to get a chance at a great time. He's run sub 3:29 once, as I recall, and that was a big drop. He seems to have the physical ability to go faster but a 3:27 requires that hard 3rd lap. Hamza Driouch seemed to me to be the guy with the best chance to do this in terms of his mentality and early ability, because he would at 17 or 18 hammer the third lap both at World Junior (Youth?) champs and on the Euro circuit and still have a lot left for the close. He's switched coaches now, so I don't know what will happen.

No way.