Most UNDERRATED high school runners

jim ryun. no one gives him the credit he deserves. what most people don't realize is that he was actually very talented!

Andy Trouard - will be a monster in college

Patrick Joseph, VA. Top-5 in the 1600 and 800, yet no mention of dream miles or national titles.

Hannah meier she ran 2:06 high and 4:18 1500 last year. At my regional meet she ran a controlled 4:52 mile, low 2:10 and a 57ish in the 4 by 4.

southern gentleman wrote:

jim ryun. no one gives him the credit he deserves. what most people don't realize is that he was actually very talented!

He didn't break 9 for the 2M, or even attempt the more manly sub 14 5k.

All time high school list:

1. G. Rupp (2003 Pan American Jr. 10k gold, 2nd at Footlocker 2003, USATF Jr. 5k champ over Withrow and McDougal, 4:01.8 mile, 5:18.5 2k HSR, 8:03.67 3k HSR, 13:37.91 HSR/AJR, 29:09.56)

2. Gerry Lindgren (4:01.5 mile, 8:06.3i HSR, 8:40i HSR, 13:44 HSR/AJR, 29:17.6 HSR)

3. Dathan Ritzenhein (2x Footlocker champ, bronze at World Jr. XC, 13:51.69).

4. Rich Kimball - (1974 World Jr. XC champ, 4:02.4 mile, 8:46.6 2M)

5. Eric Hulst (1976 World Jr. XC champ, 8:44.6, 28:55.0)

6. Lucas V. (2x Footlocker champ, 3:59.71 1M, 8:40i, 8:29.46 2M HSR, 14:06i HSR (as part of a indoor NIN triple win))

7. Jeff Nelson (4th at 1979 World Jr. XC (outkicked for 3rd place in last 150 yard), 8:42i, 8:36.3 2M)

8. Prefontaine (8:41.5 2M HSR, 13:52.8)

9. Craig Virgin (8:40.9 2M HSR, 13:58.2)

10. Rudy Chapa (29:11.2 beat Eric Hulst at 1975 USA Jr. 10,000m and broke Lindgren's HSR record, lost his record to Bill McChesney's 29:06 in March 1976, Chapa answered back in April with 27:37.4 (6M) HSR/AJR enroute to 28:32.7 HSR/AJR 10000m)

11. Alberto Salazar (5th at 1976 World Jr. XC, 8:53.8 2M, 14:04.8)

12. Bob Kennedy (1987 Footlocker champ, 3:53.29 1500m)

13. Solinsky (2002 Footlocker champ, 4:05 mile and 8:43.24 3200m)

14. Adam Goucher (1993 Footlocker champ, etc)

15. Matt Withrow (2003 Footlocker champ putting G. Rupp in 2nd place, 8:57.3 3200m (converts to about 9:00.5+ 2M), 14:13.95)

16. John Zishka (4:03.85 mile, 8:53.0 2M, 13:55.6)

17. AJ Acosta (2005 Footlocker champ, 3:45.73, 4:03.96, 8:46.32 2M to win 2006 Nike Outdoor Nationals in only serious attempt at the distance)

18. Matthew Centrowitz Jr. (2007 Pan American Jr. 1,500m gold, 4:03.40 mile, 8:41.55 2M winning 2007 Nike Outdoor Nationsals (NON))

19. Matthew Centrowitz Sr. (440y- 51.1, 880-1:51.5, 3:43.4 1500m, 4:02.7 mile, 8:56.2 2M, 14:17.0)

20. Scott Fry (1984 Footlocker champ, 8:08.1 for 3k (converts to about 8:47.02+ 2 M), 14:19.30)

20. Shadrack Kiptoo (3rd at Footlocker 2003, 8:45.44 2M)

21. Josh McDougal (4th Footlocker 2003, 8:08.34 3k (converts to about 8:47.41+ 2M), 8:48.11 2M, 8:50.4i over G. Rupp tying Dathan Ritzenhein for 7th all time at the time, 14:07.55)

22. Chris Derrick (2nd Footlocker, 13:55)

23. Alan Webb (2nd at 2000 Footlocker, 3:53 mile, 8:45.19i)

24. Donald Sage (2nd at 1999 Footlocker, 4:00.29 mile, 8:42.89 3200m (converts to about a 8:45.92+ 2M))

25. Ryan Hall (3rd at Footlocker, 3:42.70 1500m (converts to about 4:00.52+ mile), 8:55 2M as a junior)

26. Tim Danielson (3:59.4 mile, 8:55.4 2M)

27. German Fernandez (3rd Footlocker, 4:00.29 1600m, 8:34.23 3200m).

28. Franklyn Sanchez (13th at 1998 Footlocker, 8:49.60 2M, 14:24.31) [At Georgetown, Sanchez ran a 13:38.39 AJR breaking Lingdren's 13:44 (which remained the HSR), which stood until G. Rupp lowered it to 13:37 which became the new HSR/AJR in 2004]

29. Andy Powell (12th at 1998 Footlocker, 4:02.7 mile, 8:50.29 2M)

30. Jim Ryun (3:55 defeating reigning Olympic champion Peter Snell in an AR)

31. Marty Liquori (3:59.8 mile)

Sabrina Southerland is pretty underratated. She won Indoors Nat' 800 and while not that accomplished at cross she's no stiff either.

She could eventually be a #6,7 for Georgetown CC.

All Time- Dave Merrick

Current- Jacob Thompson maybe?

You are a bona fide moron.

A good list to use in terms of seeing who's NOT underrated. Of the class of '08, along with Puskedra and Colby Lowe, Rob Finnerty was pretty accomplished, with a 4:01 mile (not 1600) and 4th at the NON 2 mile in 8:50. Mecheso, Estrada, Hill and Cabral obviously fulfilled their potential, but weren't quite as accomplished in hs.

The class of '13 is looking like the most promising since '08.

Fastnbulbous wrote:

Rob Finnerty was pretty accomplished, with a 4:01 mile (not 1600) and 4th at the NON 2 mile in 8:50.

Oh, Rob beats out Andy Powell for 29th on my All Time High School List, pushing Jim Ryun and Marty Liquorice to 30th and 31st. Thanks for the help, teamate!

1. G. Rupp (2003 Pan American Jr. 10k gold, 2nd at Footlocker 2003, USATF Jr. 5k champ over Withrow and

McDougal, 4:01.8 mile, 5:18.5 2k HSR, 8:03.67 3k HSR, 13:37.91 HSR/AJR, 29:09.56)

2. Gerry Lindgren (4:01.5 mile, 8:06.3i HSR, 8:40i

HSR, 13:44 HSR/AJR, 29:17.6 HSR)

3. Dathan Ritzenhein (2x Footlocker champ, bronze at

World Jr. XC, 13:51.69).

4. Rich Kimball - (1974 World Jr. XC champ, 4:02.4

mile, 8:46.6 2M)

5. Eric Hulst (1976 World Jr. XC champ, 8:44.6,

28:55.0)

6. Lucas V. (2x Footlocker champ, 3:59.71 1M, 8:40i,

8:29.46 2M HSR, 14:06i HSR (as part of a indoor NIN

triple win))

7. Jeff Nelson (4th at 1979 World Jr. XC (outkicked

for 3rd place in last 150 yard), 8:42i, 8:36.3 2M)

8. Prefontaine (8:41.5 2M HSR, 13:52.8)

9. Craig Virgin (8:40.9 2M HSR, 13:58.2)

10. Rudy Chapa (29:11.2 beat Eric Hulst at 1975 USA Jr. 10,000m and broke Lindgren's HSR record, lost

his record to Bill McChesney's 29:06 in March 1976,

Chapa answered back in April with 27:37.4 (6M) HSR/AJR enroute to 28:32.7 HSR/AJR 10000m)

11. Alberto Salazar (5th at 1976 World Jr. XC, 8:53.8 2M, 14:04.8)

12. Bob Kennedy (1987 Footlocker champ, 3:53.29 1500m)

13. Solinsky (2002 Footlocker champ, 4:05 mile and 8:43.24 3200m)

14. Adam Goucher (1993 Footlocker champ, etc)

15. Matt Withrow (2003 Footlocker champ putting G. Rupp in 2nd place, 8:57.3 3200m (converts to about 9:00.5+ 2M), 14:13.95)

16. John Zishka (4:03.85 mile, 8:53.0 2M, 13:55.6)

17. AJ Acosta (2005 Footlocker champ, 3:45.73, 4:03.96, 8:46.32 2M to win 2006 Nike Outdoor Nationals in only serious attempt at the distance)

18. Matthew Centrowitz Jr. (2007 Pan American Jr.

1,500m gold, 4:03.40 mile, 8:41.55 2M winning 2007

Nike Outdoor Nationsals (NON))

19. Matthew Centrowitz Sr. (440y- 51.1, 880-1:51.5,

3:43.4 1500m, 4:02.7 mile, 8:56.2 2M, 14:17.0)

20. Scott Fry (1984 Footlocker champ, 8:08.1 for 3k

(converts to about 8:47.02+ 2 M), 14:19.30)

20. Shadrack Kiptoo (3rd at Footlocker 2003, 8:45.44

2M over Josh McDougal in 8:48)

21. Josh McDougal (4th Footlocker 2003, 8:08.34 3k

(converts to about 8:47.41+ 2M), 8:48.11 2M, 8:50.4i

over G. Rupp tying Dathan Ritzenhein for 7th all time at the time, 14:07.55)

22. Chris Derrick (2nd Footlocker, 13:55)

23. Alan Webb (2nd at 2000 Footlocker, 3:53 mile,

8:45.19i)

24. Donald Sage (2nd at 1999 Footlocker, 4:00.29

mile, 8:42.89 3200m (converts to about a 8:45.92+ 2M))

25. Ryan Hall (3rd at Footlocker, 3:42.70 1500m

(converts to about 4:00.52+ mile), 8:55 2M as a

junior)

26. Tim Danielson (3:59.4 mile, 8:55.4 2M)

27. German Fernandez (3rd Footlocker, 4:00.29 1600m,

8:34.23 3200m).

28. Franklyn Sanchez (13th at 1998 Footlocker, 8:49.60 2M, 14:24.31) [At Georgetown, Sanchez ran a 13:38.39 AJR breaking Lingdren's 13:44 (which remained the HSR), which stood until G. Rupp lowered it to 13:37 which became the new HSR/AJR in 2004]

29. Rob Finnerty (9th at 2007 Footlocker, 4:01 mile,

8:50 2m for 4th at 2008 Nike Outdoor Nationals)

30. Andy Powell (12th at 1998 Footlocker, 4:02.7

mile, 8:50.29 2M)

31. Jim Ryun (3:55 mile defeating reigning Olympic champion Peter Snell in an AR)

32. Marty Liquori (3:59.8 mile)

Might Be Ventolin wrote:

You are a bona fide moron.

You can't argue the facts and logic of the List, therefore you resort to ad homo-in.

All of them are OVERRATED. No one cares what people do in High School...too much effort is already spent reminding high school kids that it's the most important time of their life and nothing will ever be as important.

Tomas wrote:

All of them are OVERRATED. No one cares what people do in High School...too much effort is already spent reminding high school kids that it's the most important time of their life and nothing will ever be as important.

Have you seen the G. Rupp's wife, Solinsky's wife, Adam Goucher's wife, Hall's wife, etc? Without being on the All Time High School List there is no way those guys pull those babes.

And then there is Nike. Built upon the legend of Pre, a company founded by distance runners for distance runners, who got early into China and built it up, and thus now own America and everyone else through China. You need to get on the All Time High School List if you want to rise to Senior VP like Rudy Chapa did. Tell a billion Chinese working in the shoe mines that it doesn't matter what Chapa did in high school! Ha!

Lets hope she can forgive Lukas for abandoning her, Oregon, and running. If she can't work things out with Lukas, then Withrow, AJ Acosta, Centro Jr might be single. But, they are all a long way down the All Time High School List from #6 Lukas V.

Cain

henry wynne?

hes awesome

26mi235 wrote:

Cain

Overrated, when she stops hiding out in the women's subdivision and goes into the open races (where the men are) and beats the Olympic champ in race under Webb's 3:46 AR then I'll consider her for placement around Jim Ryun on the list, above Marty Liquorice for sure.

Jacob Thomson

Luis Martinez. Most of his running has been at altitude so his times have been under the radar. And he had an injury the summer between his junior and senior year. But he's been dominant in NM for two years and has really nice form.

He's signed with Oklahoma State, so he'll be running with the big boys.