Can someone explain to me why this is considered cheating?

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10 years ago 05/13/2013 9:10am EDT

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/the-turnstile/phil-ivey-british-casino-embroiled-dispute-over-payment-032520482.html

Phil Ivey wins a huge amount of money playing punto blanco in a British casino. They refuse to pay him because they say he cheated. Their claim? That he noticed flaws in the print of the cards and used that knowledge to win.

How is that cheating?

He did not alter the cards. He did not hid cards up his sleeves. He noticed something that the casino failed to notice and used it to win the game. The casino put the cards out to play with.

10 years ago 05/13/2013 9:24am EDT

re: ignorant turd

Yeah , pretty lame and the casino should totally pay

but mind you that card counting is illegal in most casinos, e.g. in vegas but not in jersey

also from what the picture in this case says, Ivey's partner was having the dealer turn the cards upside down, which could be construed as cheating or at least colluding

such a substantial sum the casino would obviously risk funding a team of top shelf lawyers to fight - a card shark like Ivey prolly wants nothing to do with this mess and would take settlement?

at the very least maybe it would lay groundwork for a case against the card manufacturer? I dunno

I agree no straight cheating and Ivey should get paid, but it seems a little more nuanced than counting cards - which is banned by these private establishments

10 years ago 05/13/2013 1:00pm EDT

re: santafejack

santafejack wrote:...but mind you that card counting is illegal in most casinos, e.g. in vegas but not in jersey...

Card counting is not illegal in Las Vegas (or any other US states), per se, however casinos are private businesses and the management has the right to ask you to leave for any reason. It is illegal to bring a device into a casino that is designed to gain you an advantage.

10 years ago 05/13/2013 1:29pm EDT

re: ignorant turd

When the little guy somehow wrests control from the big guy - regardless of how - the big guy will often call it cheating. It happens in gambling, politics, sports...

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5 years ago 08/16/2018 3:53pm EDT

re: ignorant turd

This case is a little different. The issues are whether the cards were defective and if the guy was aware of it. The games are video recorded so if he was cheating it can easily be verified by the timing of his bets.

Card counting is the same way. The biggest winning bets would during the last few draws from the deck.

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