Greene was a 9.79/9.80 guy, NOT a 9.75 guy

thanks for that important information

moron

he already had a knee injury going into the meet/race

see the bandage around his knee

his knee couda gone at any time & at any speed, even in prelims

he split 6.33 with a nothing wind

if his knee had held up he wouda gone

~ 9.66

Ive never seen someone say he was a 9.75 guy.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Lots of people claim that Greene was "faster" than his PR would indicate, and point to his run in Edmonton as evidence.

In Edmonton, he was well on his way to a sub-9.80 clocking, when he tore his ham.

ALL THIS PROVES is that his body could NOT handle the stress of performing any faster than 9.80

Greene had a great career, and had PLENTY of opportunities to prove himself. There is absolutely no way that Greene could have gone 9.75, ever, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T.

He TRIED, and he FAILED, MASSIVELY.

He was physically incapable of sprinting any faster than he actually did.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read, Green was a 9.70 guy period. nothing else to see here

here are some splits during the races

mo 6.39 in 9.79wr

bolt 6.29 in 9.58wr

mo in '01, 6.33, then injury flared-up

i'll let others extrapolate what an expected 100m wouda been if not for flare-up

I have to agree with Sprintgeezer on this one.

Mo either ran 9.75 or he did not, end of story.

As for the "if his knee had only held up" argument, that too is worth little. Injuries do not occur in a vacuum.

Whatever combination of racing and training workload that Mo put into a season that saw him split 6.33, is the same combination of elements that put his body in that fragile state.

As Sprintgeezer said, Mo simply did not hold up, and never was a 9.75 or wait for it...a "9.66" guy.

RRRR wrote:

I have to agree with Sprintgeezer on this one.

Mo either ran 9.75 or he did not, end of story.

As for the "if his knee had only held up" argument, that too is worth little. Injuries do not occur in a vacuum.

Whatever combination of racing and training workload that Mo put into a season that saw him split 6.33, is the same combination of elements that put his body in that fragile state.

As Sprintgeezer said, Mo simply did not hold up, and never was a 9.75 or wait for it...a "9.66" guy.

That makes no sense. Injuries are not performance physiology. If I break my leg the day after I run a sub 4 mile, does that now make me a 10 minute miler because that's as fast as I can walk? No. I still have the performance physiology in me.

RRRR wrote:

I have to agree with Sprintgeezer on this one.

Mo either ran 9.75 or he did not, end of story.

As for the "if his knee had only held up" argument, that too is worth little. Injuries do not occur in a vacuum.

Whatever combination of racing and training workload that Mo put into a season that saw him split 6.33, is the same combination of elements that put his body in that fragile state.

As Sprintgeezer said, Mo simply did not hold up, and never was a 9.75 or wait for it...a "9.66" guy.

Um no... if he had the chance to rest, or better yet if he didn't go through round he would have ran that 9.7/9.6x.

Vent v Sprintgeezer over Sprintgeezer's distance. Pull up a seat let the action begin.

eh ???

if he's seen justa about every major euro circuit 100 or 200 live/recorded on tv since '72, then he brings something to the table

the guy knows sh!t about elite sprinting

Had Bolt been in races w/Greene, he would have pulled Greene faster, just as Johnson pulled Lewis and Bolt pulled Tyson, etc. And if he was through 60 in 6.33, you know that he was going to hammer it with health. Injury does not set the ultimate limit on our performances.

No.

It makes you a sub 4 minute miler whose training and racing program prepared him to break the 4 minute barrier prior to breaking his leg the next day.

Congrats on breaking the 4 minute barrier!

Mo was a 9.79/9.80 sprinter whose training and racing program prepared him to blow his knee after going through rounds and NEVER run any faster than those times. Still a boss, but not a 9.75 sprinter.

Sorry Mo, you never lived up to ventolin's expectations :-(

You're missing the point of the thread.

"Um no... if he had the chance to rest, or better yet if he didn't go through round he would have ran that 9.7/9.6x."

And yet he had neither of those opportunities, and thus never ran 9.7/9.6x and is not a "9.75 runner".

I could claim that Manzano would have broken the American record for 1500m if "he didn't go through rounds" at the Olympics, but that would be very far from the truth.

"Could've, would've, should've" has NO place on the track.

Ha ha. I'm just going to assume your goal here was to bait V3 into another inane rant. Well done. 10/10.

RRRR wrote:

"Um no... if he had the chance to rest, or better yet if he didn't go through round he would have ran that 9.7/9.6x."

And yet he had neither of those opportunities, and thus never ran 9.7/9.6x and is not a "9.75 runner".

I could claim that Manzano would have broken the American record for 1500m if "he didn't go through rounds" at the Olympics, but that would be very far from the truth.

"Could've, would've, should've" has NO place on the track.

There is a difference in running rounds and being tired, and running rounds and increasing your chance of injury. The fact is if he had not been injured he would have ran 9.70 or faster, whereas with Manzano it is not guaranteed.

RRRR wrote:"Could've, would've, should've" has NO place on the track.

well that pretty much rules out lotta the guys pre-'70 who ran on dirt

i'm sure bannister of 3'59.4 fame woud only have been a 3'59.4 on synthetic in assessment of pantheons ???

ventolin^3 wrote:

RRRR wrote:"Could've, would've, should've" has NO place on the track.

well that pretty much rules out lotta the guys pre-'70 who ran on dirt

i'm sure bannister of 3'59.4 fame woud only have been a 3'59.4 on synthetic in assessment of pantheons ???

Rules them out for what? The upcoming hypothetical Olympics of 2013?

I'm sure Bannister is happy with breaking a major athletic time barrier, and that he will not be lacing up anytime soon to make an attempt at 3:43, or claiming that he could have if born later.

Enjoy your assessment of pantheons, and don't forget to factor in the alter-g! Mo is not a 9.75 runner, them's the numbers.

'if his knee had held up he wouda gone

~ 9.66'

That's like saying if his legs went faster he would have run 9.50

Injury is a physical weakness the same as lack of speed