How does the US determine who goes to Worlds for the Marathon?

I don't know.

2013 IAAF World Championships Marathon Athlete Selection Procedures

Men's Selection Procedures

Team size: 3 men

Men's selections: Three (3) positions will be selected from a time list of marathon performances from October 6, 2012 through May 5, 2013. Performances from non IAAF-approved courses will be considered for determining rank order, however, minimum performance standards of 2:17:00 for men and 2:43:00 for women must be met in competitions recognized by the IAAF. These performances must be achieved between January 1, 2012 through May 5, 2013.** Only performances on IAAF-approved courses** (PDF) will be considered.

** Subject to change according to final IAAF guidelines.

Women's Selection Procedures

Team size: 3 women

Women's selections: Three (3) positions will be selected from a time list of marathon performances from October 6, 2012 through May 5, 2013. Performances from non IAAF-approved courses will be considered for determining rank order, however, minimum performance standards of 2:17:00 for men and 2:43:00 for women must be met in competitions recognized by the IAAF. These performances must be achieved between January 1, 2012 through May 5, 2013.** Only performances on IAAF-approved courses** (PDF) will be considered.

They go down the list and ask "who wants to go?". When they find 3 willing to run for the short money we have a team.

Huh. I always thought we put a team of like 5 in every time.

crazy raisin wrote:

Huh. I always thought we put a team of like 5 in every time.

There's a reason they teach 1st grade math.

Here are the top 8 U.S. women during that qualifying window. I would think there would be 3 of these 8 who would take the opportunity if offered it.

1) Shalene Flanagan 2:27:08 (Boston)

2) Renee Metivier Baillie 2:27:17 (Chicago)

3) Kata Goucher 2:28:08 (Boston)

4) Dot McMahon 2:32:11 (Chicago)

5) Jeannette Faber 2:32:37 (Twin Cities)

6) Deena Kastor 2:39:39 (LA)

7) Stephanie Pezzullo 2:32:42 (Chicago)

8) Stephanie Rothstein 2:32:47 (Honolulu)

Interesting that only 10 seconds seperates #'s 5, 6, 7 & 8

Dot, Faber, and Kastor is the team. Shalane, Kara and Renee will not take it.

DONE and DONE.

Where does it say they go down the list? From what's written above, they could pick anyone on the list in any order.

Jim Estes said they will be going down the list.

Also the person who accepts still must meet the minimum standards. So you could have a smaller team as well.

The selection procedures above must also follow the general guidelines of the Amateur Sports Act.

"Three (3) positions will be selected from a time list of marathon performances from October 6, 2012 through May 5, 2013. Performances from non IAAF-approved courses will be considered for determining rank order, however, minimum performance standards of 2:17:00 for men and 2:43:00 for women must be met in competitions recognized by the IAAF. These performances must be achieved between January 1, 2012 through May 5, 2013."

Can someone help me out here? I'm reading this wrong somehow. Performances from 6 Oct '12 through 5 May '13...that must be achieved between 1 Jan '12 and 5 May '13. What am I missing?

And the men:

1- 2:07:47 9 Dathan Ritzenhein Nike Oct 07

2- 2:11:41 7 Mohamed Trafeh Nike Dec 02

3- 2:11:45 8 Ryan Vail Brooks Dec 02

4- 2:12:03 16 Jeff Eggleston Arizona Oct 07

5- 2:12:12 5 Jason Hartman

6 2:14:09 12 Tim Nelson Oregon TC Dec 02

7- 2:14:21 18 Carlos Trujillo adidas Oct 07

8- 2:14:30 9 Daniel Tapia Boston

9- 2:15:38 20 Craig Leon TR Eugrnr Oct 07

Confused Briton wrote:

Can someone help me out here? I'm reading this wrong somehow. Performances from 6 Oct '12 through 5 May '13...that must be achieved between 1 Jan '12 and 5 May '13. What am I missing?

sounds like you have from 1/1/12-10/6/13 to run 2:17, then qualifying times are picked from marathons from 10/6/12-5/5/13

If you cant run 2:17 or 2:43 you don't deserve to even be considered

No up front money , no chance of winning money , why burn a marathon just to travel to Russia , a USA uniform doesn't cut it any more.

running is better wrote:

Confused Briton wrote:

Can someone help me out here? I'm reading this wrong somehow. Performances from 6 Oct '12 through 5 May '13...that must be achieved between 1 Jan '12 and 5 May '13. What am I missing?

sounds like you have from 1/1/12-10/6/13 to run 2:17, then qualifying times are picked from marathons from 10/6/12-5/5/13

limiting the window to 5/5/13 to give time for USATF to do team paperwork and only going back to 10/6/12 to show "recent fitness" or somesuch illogical logic.

I always thought they put together a list of the current top 10 American marathoners.

Then went around asking everybody else if they were interested in running a marathon.

So who do we think will accept it for the men? I assume Ritz will pass. Trafeh? Vail? Eggleston is a yes? Would Hartman be interested?

crazy raisin wrote:

Huh. I always thought we put a team of like 5 in every time.

Yes, we have sent 5 in the past and countries are still allowed to send 5. USATF has decided to only send 3 this year but they have not made a statement on that decision. I thought the point of USATF was to help promote athletes (and our sport) and help them gain experience? Sending only three seems a little ridiculous when we have many that have hit the standard.

Thoughts?

Actually wrote:

crazy raisin wrote:

Huh. I always thought we put a team of like 5 in every time.

Yes, we have sent 5 in the past and countries are still allowed to send 5. USATF has decided to only send 3 this year but they have not made a statement on that decision. I thought the point of USATF was to help promote athletes (and our sport) and help them gain experience? Sending only three seems a little ridiculous when we have many that have hit the standard.

Thoughts?

How big is the USAT&F support team I guess some one gets to be mens coach and womens coach and head coach plus asstant mens, womens and head coaches, equipment mgr, logistics co-ordinator, team trainer men, team trainer woman. Head of delegation, Team Doctor, USAT&F representative, director of team USA press relations and of course the 6 athletes. A nice round 20 sending 4 more athletes would require an asst head of delegation, asst logistic co-ordinator, associate trainer men, associate trainer women. Wow with a gang this size they have to get another press lip wagger and another Doctor on board. Before you know it USATF will have to charter a plane and if they are going to charter a whole plane might as well have a Board Of Directors meeting at the meet, after all they now have all those extra seats just going to waste....