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almost an ex dathan fan
Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 12:49PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
LetsRun.com Editor's note: Please understand the quote below is an altered version of a quote that we used for our Quote of the Day today. Dathan Ritzenhein only said the part of the quote that isn't in bold. The stuff in bold was added by the original poster to make a point. You can see Dathan's unaltered, original quote here: http://www.letsrun.com/2013/homepage0228.php


Did you guys see the QOD today? If not, check it out below.

I've added in a few things in bold to clarify what he was really trying to say. I think the initial statement slightly missed a few things as he may have been talking kind of fast and the reporter probably had trouble writing it all down.


Dathan Ritzenhein meant to say:

"Initially, after the marathon last year, I was kind of gung-ho and excited to do cross country. And the thing that made me disappointed about it is that it's become very insignificant to my bottom line, I guess. My excitement level wasn't going to be matched by the excitement that the race would create, unfortunately."

"It's really sad to me, because cross country is something that I love a lot. I started thinking about it over the course of the winter. Just knowing that unless I went there and I won the race, it really wouldn't matter at all to my bottom line, probably. No one would care - i mean Nike wouldn't care and pay me. Then they announced that the next cross country championships are somewhere in interior China in 2015. The race has become insignificant to white guys like myself who have no chance of winning it."

"I wanted to do something that I would be excited for, that people like David Monti and Mary Wittenberg at the NYRR would care about and pay me for. The fact that Teg, Derrick and crew care about it doesn't count as they are in a rival group that Alberto despises. Right now, the half marathon is this rocking distance that people like David and Mary love and will pay me to run. Road running is really doing so well. I knew that I would be really excited to come to the NYC Half as i'm getting paid a lot to run it. Tom Brady may be able to not worry about money and do what's best for the the sport but i can't as i need to make some money."
Geoffrey Boycott
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:22AM - in reply to almost an ex dathan fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

almost an ex dathan fan wrote:

Did you guys see the QOD today? If not, check it out below.

I've added in a few things in bold to clarify what he was really trying to say. I think the initial statement slightly missed a few things as he may have been talking kind of fast and the reporter probably had trouble writing it all down.


Dathan Ritzenhein meant to say:

"Initially, after the marathon last year, I was kind of gung-ho and excited to do cross country. And the thing that made me disappointed about it is that it's become very insignificant to my bottom line, I guess. My excitement level wasn't going to be matched by the excitement that the race would create, unfortunately."

"It's really sad to me, because cross country is something that I love a lot. I started thinking about it over the course of the winter. Just knowing that unless I went there and I won the race, it really wouldn't matter at all to my bottom line, probably. No one would care - i mean Nike wouldn't care and pay me. Then they announced that the next cross country championships are somewhere in interior China in 2015. The race has become insignificant to white guys like myself who have no chance of winning it."

"I wanted to do something that I would be excited for, that people like David Monti and Mary Wittenberg at the NYRR would care about and pay me for. The fact that Teg, Derrick and crew care about it doesn't count as they are in a rival group that Alberto despises. Right now, the half marathon is this rocking distance that people like David and Mary love and will pay me to run. Road running is really doing so well. I knew that I would be really excited to come to the NYC Half as i'm getting paid a lot to run it. Tom Brady may be able to not worry about money and do what's best for the the sport but i can't as i need to make some money."



Bold statement...bits of it.
eiqaiieaqa
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:23AM - in reply to almost an ex dathan fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
1st, I don't think your additions are fair. If you are an athlete you prefer to compete in a big event that people care about with cheering crowds - not an obscure footnote in a foreign country. Especially at 30, when he has run all of these races before, I'm sure that the motivation that comes from preparing for a race at a big event in front of an enthusiastic NY crowd is part of what gets him motivated. The NY half also has a great field of competitors.

2nd, if his concern is partly about money, so what? He is a 30 yo professional runner with a wife and family to support. Getting paid for what he spends his life doing is his job and part of being a responsible adult. I admire blue collar runners and the people trying to run professionally while scraping by at running stores, etc., but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with a professional runner trying to maximize his paydays.
the truth is there
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:25AM - in reply to almost an ex dathan fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This is the truth! There's no money in track/XC. He's got a family and mouths to feed- gotta make the most of it, financially, while he can. The half marathon and marathon are the most competitive events in the world because of the money. It's now easier to make a US/Olympic Team in the 5K/10K/XC than in the marathon.
whistleblower
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:25AM - in reply to almost an ex dathan fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Dolla dolla bills ya'll.

He thinks people care that he's running a half marathon? GTFO
These comments indicate the end of Mr Ritzenhein's competetive running career. All about getting paid now.

A few road races here and there, probably cherry picked to maximise profit. Get paid. Retire. Good for him.
No ambition to compete with the best.
full mile?
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:27AM - in reply to almost an ex dathan fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I pretty much agree with you here. It becomes sort of a self fulfilling prophesy if stars avoid this race it does become less relevant.

Also, what is wrong with a cross country race in interior China?
just some runner
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:34AM - in reply to almost an ex dathan fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It's all about the money.

I personally don't see anything wrong with that. Professional running is his job and he does it to make money. If I'm reading between the lines, running cross country to him is personally and commercially a hobby and generally hobbies don't pay.

What if other professional sports figures made no money...would you ever hear about them or care about what they do?

In other words,

Lets say you are a small business owner and you make widgets.

Widget A is simple, pure, hand made from organic materials and only sells to those who have the ability to appreciate its simplicity & purity.

Widget B is made by robots in a factory and when the robots break, child labor is brought in to pick up their slack. Widget B sells by the millions and is the source of 95% of your income.

Which do you focus your time/energy on?
crazy raisin
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:35AM - in reply to full mile? Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

full mile? wrote:

I pretty much agree with you here. It becomes sort of a self fulfilling prophesy if stars avoid this race it does become less relevant.

It's also a self-fulfilling prophecy if YOU decide what's relevant, though. What if I want to see him run Boston? Does him ducking the event I want him to run make him selfish?

(Seriously though, if he only cared about money wouldn't he be running a spring marathon?)



Also, what is wrong with a cross country race in interior China?
I agree with this, though. Probably because China doesn't have strong running (indicating countries with good running don't care enough to host it), but I don't see why it's so bad.
Haji
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:42AM - in reply to the truth is there Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

the truth is there wrote:

This is the truth! There's no money in track/XC. He's got a family and mouths to feed- gotta make the most of it, financially, while he can. The half marathon and marathon are the most competitive events in the world because of the money. It's now easier to make a US/Olympic Team in the 5K/10K/XC than in the marathon.


Disagree. I think the US marathon team was much softer than our 5K/10K teams at Beijing. Internationally, the road events might be more competitive but making a US national team, I don't think so.
mcflounder
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:45AM - in reply to almost an ex dathan fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Ritz is a drama queen. He had no intention of running WXC. Ritz did well as a Junior, but after months of blabbing, he got his a$$ handed to him when he ran with the big boys. Ritz just needs to shut his mouth. He was never kind of gung-ho to do XC.
Salazar enables drug use
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:46AM - in reply to the truth is there Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

the truth is there wrote:

This is the truth! There's no money in track/XC.


Then why has he indicated that he is running track?
full mile?
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:53AM - in reply to crazy raisin Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I didn't decide for dathan to qualify for a berth into world XC. Since he is one of the big stars from one of the beat running countries, his participation in a championship meet (or lack thereof) is a factor here.

I think if he had said that it was at least partly about the money, I would value the honesty, but by his opting out of the championship meet, he is (albeit in a small way) contributing to the demise of XC.

I'm okay with that though since I'm not a huge cc advocate.

XC isn't a pro sport in this country the same way that track and road racing are and I'm okay with that...it is still thriving at the high school and college level and it can stay that way for all i care.
Sleeping just fine in Seattle
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:57AM - in reply to almost an ex dathan fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
This is another simple situation.

THE NYRR ARE GOOD FOR THEMSELVES AND BAD FOR OUR SPORT.

They have money and will always over pay for athletes in an attempt to keep them from developing as an athlete. The NYRR are smart enough to know that athletes/agents are gready. Offer people enough money and they will do ANYTHING.
Graeme McDowell
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 11:59AM - in reply to the truth is there Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I am a huge Ritz fan and agree that he needs to make wise financial decisions as a father and a husband. However, I do think calling world cross insignificant is an insult to those who are going and competing. It's a very tough race and I can see not wanting to make the long trip just to get 30th place and very little money. That's fine but don't insult the events and it's competitors.

Also, I disagree with your point that it's easier to make the US Olympic team in the 5 or 10K than it is in the marathon. Meb will be quite old by 2016, Hall is a big question mark. Ritz ran the best US marathon time in 2012 but he is no lock other. Other than those three who is there? Only 4 US guys ran under 2:11 last year which is about a 27:55 10K or 13:27 5K. No question the marathon team is easier to make.
muckraker
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 12:02PM - in reply to almost an ex dathan fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I totally get the money part and don't fault him for that. But this is the line that bothered me:

The race has become insignificant to white guys like myself who have no chance of winning it."



He has no chance to win because he is not fast enough. It has nothing to do with being white.

His chances of winning would be decent if he his pbs were - oh let's just say 7:30 and 26:48.
Graeme McDowell
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 12:03PM - in reply to Graeme McDowell Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
For comparison 12 US runners ran sub 13:27 and 11 sub 27:55 in 2012.
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RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 12:04PM - in reply to almost an ex dathan fan Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Anybody with a career can understand perfectly well what Ritz is saying here. Dumb kids living in their parents' basements can cling to their idealism, but if you're a grown-up with bills to pay and a family to provide for, you make hard choices. Sure I'd like to ditch this middle management job to go start a non-profit that will save the world but nobody's going to pay me $200K a year to do it.
Odds on
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 12:06PM - in reply to muckraker Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

muckraker wrote:
He has no chance to win because he is not fast enough. It has nothing to do with being white.



Ritz didn't say that. OP added the bold parts to what Ritz really said.
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RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 12:07PM - in reply to muckraker Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

muckraker wrote:

He has no chance to win because he is not fast enough. It has nothing to do with being white.




Did he imply causation or just correlation? It's no secret that no white guy is going to win the XC Worlds, is it? Doesn't really matter why.
All I can say is
RE: Anyone else totally disgusted by Dathan Ritzenhein's comments about world cross country? 2/28/2013 12:08PM - in reply to Graeme McDowell Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Ritz has no presence in the global market if Nike wants its moneys worth they have to market him to the American kit buying audience.
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