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Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 1:31PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Looks really promising, crazy improvements. Anyone got some inside scoop on how he did this? Whats his training like now?
the stonehenge
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 1:49PM - in reply to Leaps and Bounds Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Not really that crazy considering he ran 8:46 for the 3200 in high school as a junior. One of the best races i've seen. He beat joe rosa and closed the last 1600 in 4:14. Last 400 in 58.
the stonehenge
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 1:51PM - in reply to the stonehenge Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
High Wire
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 1:57PM - in reply to the stonehenge Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Oh he's THAT kid. Couldn't place him but I remember the race. How was his senior year?


the stonehenge wrote:

Not really that crazy considering he ran 8:46 for the 3200 in high school as a junior. One of the best races i've seen. He beat joe rosa and closed the last 1600 in 4:14. Last 400 in 58.
the stonehenge
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 2:02PM - in reply to High Wire Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
His cross country season was pretty good. He ran under 15:30 at Holmdel, which NJ people would know is really good. After that not much happened. He got injured during indoors. For the outdoor MOC, the race got stopped a lap short because of lightning. Elkaim was kind of out of the race anyway when it was stopped.
honoho
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 2:28PM - in reply to Leaps and Bounds Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Also, didn't he run some fast times last year or year before? This isn't the first collegiate season where's he's had some good marks. That said, this is definitely his best to date and good to see it.
break it up
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 2:39PM - in reply to honoho Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
If he ran 8:46 as a high school junior and closed in 4:14 and 58 he should be at least 13:35 for 5000 meters by now. Not crazy at all.

13:50 as a freshman to 13:39 as a sopohomore is a nice jump but not unusual for 8:45-8:50 high schoolers. He is able to run his high school pace for 3200 through 5000 now. The next step is to run sub 13:30 which is running 5k faster than you ran 3200 in high school.
break it up
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 2:42PM - in reply to break it up Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'm sure the 14:54 you are talking about is a high school cross country time and he never ran a fast 5000 in high school on the track. He would have been certainly capable of 14:10-14:20 if he did.
Agent Whitewash
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 3:28PM - in reply to break it up Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

break it up wrote:

I'm sure the 14:54 you are talking about is a high school cross country time and he never ran a fast 5000 in high school on the track. He would have been certainly capable of 14:10-14:20 if he did.


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Jeramy Elkaim (note odd spelling) ran 14:54 on the track at the NB National Outdoor Champs his senior year to place third. Since he was 29 seconds behind the winner (Cheserek, then a sophomore not yet eligible for Social Security benefits), it is fair to say that he was in a "fast" race.

That said, he did run 14:55 on a cross-country course the previous fall.

His progression:

Freshman - did not run
Sophomore - 4:32 and 9:53 indoor; 4:19 and 9:07 outdoor
Junior - 4:17 and 9:00 indoor; 4:12 and 8:46 outdoor (with a lost 800 of 2:05 and a last 400 of 61, not 58)
Senior - 4:18 and 9:26 indoor; 4:14 and 9:05 outdoor (was hurt during indoor season)
break it up
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 3:35PM - in reply to Agent Whitewash Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Wow. 4:19 as a sophomore that never ran is one in 10 million but the 9:07 is even more impressive.
Agent Whitewash
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 3:59PM - in reply to break it up Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

break it up wrote:

Wow. 4:19 as a sophomore that never ran is one in 10 million but the 9:07 is even more impressive.


He did run cross-country as a soph. Ran well (16:47 at Holmdel) but there was no real hint that he would become a monster in short order.

If he stays healthy he seems like a sure bet to finish top 7 or 8 at NCAA XC Nats this year, maybe 2nd or 3rd American.
Pre is my favorite
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 4:12PM - in reply to break it up Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
What a talent. I had him at 2:02 for his last 800 and 59 for his last 400 to run 8:46 in that race... as a junior. Good to see him running well, he should be looking to run 13:2x outdoors.
BA
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 5:00PM - in reply to Pre is my favorite Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Anybody have Rosa's track PRs?
nameless faceless sufferer
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 5:40PM - in reply to break it up Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

break it up wrote:

If he ran 8:46 as a high school junior and closed in 4:14 and 58 he should be at least 13:35 for 5000 meters by now. Not crazy at all.

13:50 as a freshman to 13:39 as a sopohomore is a nice jump but not unusual for 8:45-8:50 high schoolers. He is able to run his high school pace for 3200 through 5000 now. The next step is to run sub 13:30 which is running 5k faster than you ran 3200 in high school.


You are right about his progress, and 8:46.x for a junior is right in there for the fastest juniors of all-time in America. Very few HSers break 8:50.0y ever, there are probably less than 10 who have ever done it as a junior.

If you look at the all-time list for the 3200/2-Mile and look at how many people have run under 8:50 it is amazing how many of them ended up running at Oregon. The percentage is really surprising.

Anyway, an 8:46.08 is 65.76 per lap, which is 13:42.00 for 5000m. So he is already well under his HS 3200 pace for the 12.5 laps.

Also, he seems like a huge talent (DUH! could I tell from his 846 3200?). No, what I mean is he ran 9:07 as a soph and every year he ran significantly better outdoors after indoors (where he ran significant times) and he seems substantially better at the 3200. It looks like the wheels fall off somewhat as a senior as he didn't progress indoors or out.

Would be nice to see him aim for sub-13:30 this yr (like you said) and sub-13:20 later. Maybe a sub-28:10 at first and sub-27:50 ultimately in college.
Trialswatcher
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 8:01PM - in reply to nameless faceless sufferer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I know the Elkaim history as well, as he went to my HS, I am an old man.

He did run 8:05 and a 4:05 mile last year, which are both pretty good improvements over any of his HS marks.

He had big ability, anyone who knows running could see that in his closing down in his 8:46 3200

Then he goes 13:52 this season winning looking good. and now this, at Livingston HS his mileage was relatively light and I am guessing for the results still is.But, what a jump. He may very well run in the 13:20's outdoors, who knows, if not it is still enough progress to have a big upside as a true soph, red shirt frosh I think for outdoors?
Short hills mall is better
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 9:31PM - in reply to the stonehenge Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I saw that race too and was blown away by him
I was with a prominent college coach and he was drolling at that kids talent
Surprised he hasn't been great sooner
Wish him the best! A
Trialswatcher
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/9/2013 9:35PM - in reply to Short hills mall is better Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
He is at Oregon and ran 13:39.35 as a soph


why would anyone expect that he would have run faster, it is wild enough he ran this fast
Oregon Bound
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/10/2013 8:36AM - in reply to Agent Whitewash Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Freshman - did not run
Sophomore - 4:32 and 9:53 indoor; 4:19 and 9:07 outdoor
Junior - 4:17 and 9:00 indoor; 4:12 and 8:46 outdoor (with a lost 800 of 2:05 and a last 400 of 61, not 58)
Senior - 4:18 and 9:26 indoor; 4:14 and 9:05 outdoor (was hurt during indoor season)[/quote]

You have to keep in mind that Livingston had a monster DMR during Elkaim's senior year. They ran 10:23 early on indoors in a nation leading time and then ran 10:16 later on and they were lacking in the 400 and 800 big time. I think 52.5 and 2:02 were the fastest splits they got out of those legs. Jeramy ran 4:10-4:12 multiple times anchoring throughout the year
Wow just wow
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/10/2013 9:52AM - in reply to Oregon Bound Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
He got good! I remember him being at sectionals when I was a little sophomore. Never knew he would progress so much!
macho gaspacho
RE: Jeramy Elkaim: From 14:54 to 13:51 to 13:39, Crazy!!! 2/10/2013 10:32AM - in reply to Wow just wow Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
And, for some real trivia, the kid went to the same high school as famous Dyestat poster king99.
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