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george oscar bluth
Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/2/2013 7:18PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I don't care if he's 18, 20, or 24..that performance should be the textbook example of how to run a 3k against someone with a better kick than you. Incredible.
arawi
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/2/2013 7:27PM - in reply to george oscar bluth Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
That's good to point out because it seems that the prevailing concept of tactics is nothing but sit and kick.
Bad Wigins
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/2/2013 7:27PM - in reply to george oscar bluth Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
He left Rupp standing still.
Fluffy
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/2/2013 7:30PM - in reply to george oscar bluth Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

george oscar bluth wrote:
that performance should be the textbook example of how to run a 3k against someone with a better kick than you. Incredible.


Rupp wasn't better. People greatly underestimated him despite having a 11 second better pr in the 5k over Rupp.
Uppity23
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/2/2013 7:33PM - in reply to Fluffy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Fluffy wrote:


george oscar bluth wrote:
that performance should be the textbook example of how to run a 3k against someone with a better kick than you. Incredible.


Rupp wasn't better. People greatly underestimated him despite having a 11 second better pr in the 5k over Rupp.


He didn't say better.

He said better kicker. Which Rupp is. Not to mention Rupp ran a faster last 400m than Gebrhiwet.

Gebrhiwet made a very smart move that took advantage of his strengths to gap Rupp and take the win.
bangalangadanga
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/2/2013 7:34PM - in reply to Fluffy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
looked like dumb luck to me. honestly, i thought it was smart tactics on rupps part. i thought he was feinting tiredness so that hagos would go around him and pick up the pacing duties. obviously, this did not happen as hagos just pulled away.
george oscar bluth
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/2/2013 7:46PM - in reply to bangalangadanga Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

bangalangadanga wrote:

looked like dumb luck to me. honestly, i thought it was smart tactics on rupps part. i thought he was feinting tiredness so that hagos would go around him and pick up the pacing duties. obviously, this did not happen as hagos just pulled away.


How could what happened in that race possibly be construed as "dumb luck"?
Eb55
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/2/2013 7:52PM - in reply to bangalangadanga Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Gebrehiwot is no slouch of a kicker... But u r right. Rupp did look great out kicking lagat at the us nationals. But lagat has lost a step. Rupp was not able to out kick mo farah last year ...so his kick is not first class.

I think Alberto uhum Salazar praises his kick too much and he may be relying too much on that... I really thought he would hang on too the surge.. But he got blown up... Wow ... Hagos is the real deal.
ryan foreman
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/2/2013 8:24PM - in reply to george oscar bluth Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
How do you even know he has a better kick than Rupp? Does anyone know?

I think you are reading too much into it. Gebrhiwet just looked in great shape. He seemed incredibly comfortable just before he made his move. He looked like he just wanted the pace to go faster and he made it so. Rupp probably didn't know what to make of it. It was probably another East African who put in a ton of mileage and hard training for a race so he could make a name for himself. As often as not these guys fade. If anything Rupp respected him too much and may have been surprised he finished as close as he did. Clearly Rupp seems to have been locked into a race plan and was not going to alter his pace whatever move someone else made. The bottom line for Rupp is that he finished just outside the AR so it was a good performance on his part.
arawi
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/2/2013 8:34PM - in reply to george oscar bluth Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The stereotype of the dumb east African just mindlessly running fast is alive and well in this thread.
george oscar bluth
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/2/2013 8:41PM - in reply to ryan foreman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

ryan foreman wrote:

How do you even know he has a better kick than Rupp? Does anyone know?

I think you are reading too much into it. Gebrhiwet just looked in great shape. He seemed incredibly comfortable just before he made his move. He looked like he just wanted the pace to go faster and he made it so. Rupp probably didn't know what to make of it. It was probably another East African who put in a ton of mileage and hard training for a race so he could make a name for himself. As often as not these guys fade. If anything Rupp respected him too much and may have been surprised he finished as close as he did. Clearly Rupp seems to have been locked into a race plan and was not going to alter his pace whatever move someone else made. The bottom line for Rupp is that he finished just outside the AR so it was a good performance on his part.


He didn't just take over the lead and pick up the pace, though. He went around and ran what appeared to be a 28 high to gap Rupp so that Rupp wouldn't just sit on him, and opened up a large enough gap so that Rupp couldn't run him down. Regardless of who is the better kicker (I think Rupp has probably done more speed work at this point), Hagos ran a very, very smart race.
ryan foreman
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/2/2013 10:13PM - in reply to george oscar bluth Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It was a strong move but not exactly explosive either. Rupp could have reeled him in if he chose to spare the energy. But Rupp didn't want to spare it in order to maintain the pace he was at. It was a pick your poison situation for Rupp. The race was over at about the 2000M race when Rupp was clearly huffing and puffing while Gebrhiwet looked like Rudisha running 1:45 pace.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Gebrhiwet ran a smart race except of course for the fact that he won. He was simply the stronger runner much like Solinsky was better than Rupp in 2010. Nobody credited Solinsky with his smart savvy running in that Payton Jordan race.
george oscar bluth
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/3/2013 12:02AM - in reply to ryan foreman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I don't know how to have a legitimate discussion with someone who seriously compared this race to the Rupp/Solinsky 10k at Payton Jordan. Agree to disagree I suppose.

Rupp said that he wanted to win more than he wanted the record, so to imply that he just ignored Gebrhiwet to focus on his own pace/race is ludicrous.
Da Grammar Police
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/3/2013 1:35AM - in reply to george oscar bluth Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen

george oscar bluth wrote:

I don't care if he's 18, 20, or 24..that performance should be the textbook example of how to run a 3k against someone with a better kick than you. Incredible.



Want to know what's more incredible? It's been 6 hours since this thread started and no one has pointed out the despicable spelling error in the title...
ryan foreman
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/3/2013 1:44AM - in reply to george oscar bluth Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Well, like I said, it was a pick your poison situation for Rupp as to whether he went with Gebrhiwet. That is what he chose. There is no doubt that Rupp gave it his all as he was completely spent at the finish line. In contrast, Gebrhiwet was all smiles and went directly to his victory lap with hardly a pause for rest.

Besides the Solinsky analogy, what exactly are you disagreeing with me on?


george oscar bluth wrote:

I don't know how to have a legitimate discussion with someone who seriously compared this race to the Rupp/Solinsky 10k at Payton Jordan. Agree to disagree I suppose.

Rupp said that he wanted to win more than he wanted the record, so to imply that he just ignored Gebrhiwet to focus on his own pace/race is ludicrous.
yyy
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/3/2013 2:20AM - in reply to george oscar bluth Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
perhaps his kick has been underestimated by the "experts"
on LRC???
Pre is my favorite
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/3/2013 7:41AM - in reply to yyy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'm not one for doping accusations usually, but someone needs to catch Gebrhiwet. 14:04 to 12:47 in one year? What an absolute joke.
yyy
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/3/2013 7:48AM - in reply to Pre is my favorite Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
yes. a joke.
Mrr82
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/3/2013 8:27AM - in reply to Pre is my favorite Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Pre is my favorite wrote:

I'm not one for doping accusations usually, but someone needs to catch Gebrhiwet. 14:04 to 12:47 in one year? What an absolute joke.


Let's not misrepresent improvement. Letsrun made a lacking comment even though they included his 7:45 pr at the time. Obviously he was in 13:20ish shape at the very least the year he went 14:04 if he could go 7:45 in a championship style race. He was 6th in 2011 at the sr. Ethiopian championship. That's not something accomplished by a 14:04 guy. He improved a lot but not 77 secs.
Pre is my favorite
RE: Gebrhiwet just ran won of the most tactically savvy races I've ever seen 2/3/2013 11:01AM - in reply to Mrr82 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Vaild point. But that 12:47 still included a 55 last lap. Even if you give hom 13:20 shape, no one goes from 13:20 to 12:47. He's also not 18 by any means. Looks like he's 28.
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