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RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/26/2013 11:17PM - in reply to boober Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

boober wrote:

ya, i'm thinking Hall's 2:06:17 (or 59:43) are the best marks by any US runner in recent years. It says a lot that he didn't sign with nike.


I think Hall may have more natural talent than Rupp. But he cannot compete with Nike resources; the conscious decision to forgo said resources (regardless the costs) indeed says something.
grubbert
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 12:23AM - in reply to P White Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
this is getting ridiculous..its obvious that rupp is engaging in some sort of activity thats illegal ; such as blood dopping
Nike The Angel
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 12:26AM - in reply to Montesquieu Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Montesquieu wrote:
In the case of the Rupp, Farah, and Ritz training group, I'm as confident that I can be that they are all clean. Why? Setting aside their extraordinary potential as exhibited when they were in high school (Rupp and Ritz in particular), there's this: this is not just any training group--this is NIKE'S training group. It is inconceivable to me that Phil Knight and the Nike hierarchy would permit their hallmark long distance athletes, who train on the Nike campus, who are there everyday, to bring shame upon the Nike brand.


Baahahahhahahahahahahahahaha. You're either trolling or a complete moron. Either way, I got a good laugh.
silly gooses
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 1:02AM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

rojo wrote:


silly gooses wrote:

He didnt suddenly get great, but he did recently graduate college.

(Rupp's) progression and consistency are perfect.


Rupp always is seemingly getting better. That is true.

I think the thing that surprises people the most is how he has gotten WAY faster in recent years at shorter distances.

He ran 4:01.8 in HS in 2004.

For years, he couldn't break 4:00. As recently as 2008, he was still a 4:01 guy. Sort of reminded many people of Ryan Hall - fast in HS but maybe he's really a long distance guy.

He finally breaks 4:00 for first time in 2009. Now 4 years later, he's a 3:50 indoor miler.


Here are some questions:

Who were his training partners during the 2004-2008 years?

Who have they been more recently?

When did he start focussing on speed and by that I mean he or salazar make mention of it and when did he start racing the mile and 800s seriously?

Did people seriously miss he last year of track in college? There were a few of us then that were saying rupp was giving us a preview that he was ready to jump to the world level, but of course plenty of doubters.

It was 2007 when he laid out his 27:3x to win the cardinal invite and overook solinsky at 5000 with a kick.

All the clues and progression have been there all along IF you were looking at what he was doing and where it COULD BE leading, rather than one of the types who either said he wasn't running to potential or was doing something far beyond his abilities.

Guys this cat ran 14:0x in the second half of a 10k, solo, as a freshman, after falling down, mid season. That is not usual talent folks. There have been 3:50 mile guys who would have had a hard time breaking 14:00 for a straight 5k as a freshman, let alone all alone rounding out 10, 000 meters.
noooooooooeeeeesssw
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 1:53AM - in reply to silly gooses Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

silly gooses wrote:


rojo wrote:


silly gooses wrote:

He didnt suddenly get great, but he did recently graduate college.

(Rupp's) progression and consistency are perfect.


Rupp always is seemingly getting better. That is true.

I think the thing that surprises people the most is how he has gotten WAY faster in recent years at shorter distances.

He ran 4:01.8 in HS in 2004.

For years, he couldn't break 4:00. As recently as 2008, he was still a 4:01 guy. Sort of reminded many people of Ryan Hall - fast in HS but maybe he's really a long distance guy.

He finally breaks 4:00 for first time in 2009. Now 4 years later, he's a 3:50 indoor miler.


Here are some questions:

Who were his training partners during the 2004-2008 years?

Who have they been more recently?

When did he start focussing on speed and by that I mean he or salazar make mention of it and when did he start racing the mile and 800s seriously?

Did people seriously miss he last year of track in college? There were a few of us then that were saying rupp was giving us a preview that he was ready to jump to the world level, but of course plenty of doubters.

It was 2007 when he laid out his 27:3x to win the cardinal invite and overook solinsky at 5000 with a kick.

All the clues and progression have been there all along IF you were looking at what he was doing and where it COULD BE leading, rather than one of the types who either said he wasn't running to potential or was doing something far beyond his abilities.

Guys this cat ran 14:0x in the second half of a 10k, solo, as a freshman, after falling down, mid season. That is not usual talent folks. There have been 3:50 mile guys who would have had a hard time breaking 14:00 for a straight 5k as a freshman, let alone all alone rounding out 10, 000 meters.


Correct. He has a great talent for pace and now worked hard at this weakness - sustained speed. He came on strong as a college senior and kept going. Its not like he dropped 10 second in 6 months. Its been four years of focus on speed.
Oregon Mallard
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 2:20AM - in reply to noooooooooeeeeesssw Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
According to "Saladbar", Rupp didn't do anything special with his 3:50 mile today. Now all these jokers are saying it was so out of this world, it has to be tainted. Can't have it both ways boys!
A Duck
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 2:25AM - in reply to ifififi Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

ifififi wrote:

The thing is, how fast does someone have to run to get a PED accusation? Is there a cutoff? Or how much does someone have to improve? For Solomon, if he'd run only sub-1:44, would you still accuse him?

I'd really like to know. What do people consider suspicious improvement?

One of you said sub-2:06 marathon. So are all the 2:06 guys exempt? 2:07 guys? Or just anyone faster than Derek Clayton?



Listen you're dealing with a message board with far too many anonymous, aholian, inane tweaks.

The answer to your question is that any time anyone runs an excellent time...some bad faithed loser is going to throw out an accusation. There will be a troll, at least. And for all those who think they have a "reasonable" post "raising suspicion," not a single one of them will know all the work that goes into those performances, let alone ever lived 1 year of their life doing the running, the core work, the plyo's, the phys therapy, the ice baths, the diet, the sleep...etc. etc. etc.

Average message board rat, doesn't have a clue.

Especially the older guys.
Left Said Fred
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 2:40AM - in reply to boober Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

boober wrote:

ya, i'm thinking Hall's 2:06:17 (or 59:43) are the best marks by any US runner in recent years. It says a lot that he didn't sign with nike.


Is says that the money was better with Asics.
A Duck
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 3:08AM - in reply to silly gooses Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

silly gooses wrote:

If rupp doped, then you would have to say that he has been doing so for over a decade and while a high schooler living under his parents roof. The guy was a 4:01 8:0x 13:37 highschooler folks! He ran 28:15 pretty much solo as a college freshmen. I believe he fell down in the race and had a massive negative split. He didnt suddenly get great, but he did recently graduate college.

His progression and consistency are perfect.



Exactly, it has been a 12 YEAR FREAKING PROGRESSION. For 5 years people have been posting that Rupp's 1500/mile PB's were stupidly soft compared to his 10k times...

Salazar didn't start focusing on Rupp's kick and speed until year 9 of this progression.
A Duck
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 3:32AM - in reply to silly gooses Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

silly gooses wrote:


P White wrote:

I'm not saying either are using anything.

I 100% believe that people are less likely to question one of their own that foreign athletes though.

To their credit, the Letsrun guys have been to the forefront of questioning PED use in sport and their attitude in directly questioning an athlete like Carmelita Jeter is what we need more of from journalists.

Here we have a skinny US distance guy running a mile time that myself and many others find difficult to believe. It needs to lead to questions. Hopefully those questions give us more evidence that Rupp is clean but they need to be asked.


Honestly, rupp was a 5k and 10k guy in high school and still managed a 4:01 mile. Its no secret that 3 or 4 years ago they got more serious about speed and he ran several 800s and mile races, including a 1:49 while still being 50000 and 10000 guy. Sure not many american milers can run 3:50, but how many could run 4:01 in high school while not being a miler?? How many high schoolers could run under 13:40? Just rupp.



Exactly.
yyy
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 3:46AM - in reply to grubbert Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You guys are not used to fast milers anymore (Scott, Falcon and others who broke 3:50 ages ago) and so you think
he is a doper. His stamina as proven with his 5/10 km times
in conjunction with a little more speed work produces 3:51.
don't forget he ran 3:34 high last year so slight shift
towards faster work is enough.

Rupp is the real deal and he will blow KB off the field.
Ventoline's calculator probably shows he can go 26:40 or so?
A Duck
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 3:58AM - in reply to Coach Mo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Coach Mo wrote:

When Galen Rupp and Mo Farah took 2nd and 1st at the Olympics, Bekele's agent, Jos Hermens, said that "science won the race." Be that as it may, Rupp has always been amazing. However, that doesn't mean he doesn't dope. Not getting injured, also, does not necessarily indicate being clean. Remember, PEDS improve recovery, and would allow for superhuman workouts to elicit superhuman fitness (and subsequent performances).

I am more suspect of Duane Solomon. I'm virtually sold on Jeter's dirtiness.



And I have no suspicion of your stupidity. --I'm convinced of it.

Do you mention advantages that Rupp has had such as being actually talented, discovered at an early age by a world class experienced coach, and kept off pavement for as much of his mileage as possible for 12 plus years now? Plyo and core work from the beginning...and about 50 other innocent "advantages" he's had that all add up to clean?

You are literally biased by your own stupidity.

Go watch the Rupp in the weight room video.

The guy has had immense CLEAN advantages that no other American runner has ever had. From day one.

You want to be jealous of those "advantages" (they are really just good fortune and smart stewardship, and we'd love it for all talented runners.)
Left Said Fred
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 4:03AM - in reply to yyy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
KB isn't who he used to be.

This is an exciting result. I head that the were going for something like this, and I thought it a bit ambitious, but I know Rupp is in absolutely stunning shape right now, so may as well go for it. Had he had more competition, he might have gotten Lagat's AR.

Let's see what he does on Saturday, and then start to look back at Gebrselassie's winters from 1997-1999, when he ran 3:32.39i, 3:31.76i and 3:33.77i (winning the World Indoor title on that last one) before going on to 12:41.86/26:31.82, 12:39.36/26:22.75 and 12:49.64, respectively.
A Duck
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 4:13AM - in reply to rojo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

rojo wrote:


silly gooses wrote:

He didnt suddenly get great, but he did recently graduate college.

(Rupp's) progression and consistency are perfect.


Rupp always is seemingly getting better. That is true.

I think the thing that surprises people the most is how he has gotten WAY faster in recent years at shorter distances.

He ran 4:01.8 in HS in 2004.

For years, he couldn't break 4:00. As recently as 2008, he was still a 4:01 guy. Sort of reminded many people of Ryan Hall - fast in HS but maybe he's really a long distance guy.

He finally breaks 4:00 for first time in 2009. Now 4 years later, he's a 3:50 indoor miler.





Really?

You are freaking shameless. For 3 years you have linked to articles, interviews and training videos about the entire change and progression of Rupp's training and racing to first get better at the 1500, to develop his kick, and develop his sprint speed.

You are either stupid or you have a personal grudge against Nike, Salazar or Rupp that you won't admit publicly.

Not only have you linked to this entire transformation in his training -- you've had people post about it before you posted this post.

There have been threads on it for years.

You sound like YOU are on drugs.

...Maybe, just maybe, when Salazar says they didn't start to focus on this shorter stuff, and Rupp's kick, and his raw speed etc. until a few years ago...it was actually the truth, duh.


You are either the lowest of low and a true embarrassment to the sport.
yyy
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 4:23AM - in reply to Left Said Fred Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
drug testing is better now.
Left Said Fred
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 4:35AM - in reply to yyy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

yyy wrote:

drug testing is better now.


It definitely is, but that statement is irrelevant to the stats listed in my previous post.
A Duck
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 5:09AM - in reply to P White Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

P White wrote:

I used my first initial and my second name. My first name is Patrick if that makes my post more relevant. I have posted on these boards maybe 10 tens in 6/7 years so I have no well known handle. I actually think the forum in general is pretty poor due to anonymous trolling but I wanted to make a point directly at the Letsrun guys.

I think you are kidding yourself if you think that major increases in performance from athletes in their late 20s should not be questioned. I would love for the sport to be clean enough where they can be believed without question but that is not that the case. To stop doubting is to give up and let the whole thing be dirty.

I'm not saying I believe either Rupp or Solomon are using. Incidentally, my personal but irrelevant opinion is that one of them is dirty). I'm saying they need to be questioned in the same manner that Morrocans or Russians or sprinters get questioned.

Considering the tone of your posts, I suspect you are the type of person who vociferously and agressively defended Lance from the beginning. The kind of guy who hurled vitriol at Walsh and Kimmage for having the guts and the professionalism to ask the questions. I love the 'how dare you' tone of the posts considering I have not accused anybody of anything.



Patrick:

Obviously you don't know this site very well, you must be new. How about this, let's post a hundred pictures of you up here. Let's have the owners encourage people to call you a doper, and a homosexual, for...let's make it an even 5 years. And then you get back to me and we'll talk about "tone."
yyy
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 5:18AM - in reply to Left Said Fred Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
agreed.
Trollist
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 5:37AM - in reply to A Duck Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

A Duck wrote:


Patrick:

Obviously you don't know this site very well, you must be new. How about this, let's post a hundred pictures of you up here. Let's have the owners encourage people to call you a doper, and a homosexual, for...let's make it an even 5 years. And then you get back to me and we'll talk about "tone."


Do you think there something wrong or offensive about being homosexual?
Trollist
RE: Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions! 1/27/2013 5:47AM - in reply to Trollist Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
For the record, I have never gone around speculating about Galen Rupp's sexual orientation.
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