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Doesn't matter which side of the fence you stand, this has got to raise a few eyebrows and prompt people to, rightly or wrongly, "ask the questions!".[/quote] Not possible for Jos Hermans to have been having SOUR GRAPES? Marko Knippen's article was discussed to death when Wejo tried to make hey with it after the Olympics. Go look at the 2006 thread where Wejo got all excited when he was going to Hang Jos Herman's in the Spanish doping case that was breaking. |
| A Duck |
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Free speech doesn't cover slander. Behavior that has been permitted here, would never be permitted pre Internet. You're not taking the context of how small this sport is in the USA. There is indeed a real reason you don't see elite athletes contributing to these forums. |
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hermens did refer 2 dopers to a spanish doping doctor hermens then claimed he referred them for homeopathy -if you can believe that is farah on a bunch of tues or not? personally i don't believe in his transition to world beater from my experience of cycling -the difference isn't gadgets and training differences it is always the peds(in cycling anyhow) |
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Mo looked well on the rise before he got to Salazar. |
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No, not that kind of rise. That's like saying that Lance looked "well on the rise" before he got to PEDs. He probably was improving when he started using. |
| A Duck |
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You're just being disingenuous and you know it. This thread is about DOPING and was created solely because Patrick White couldn't fathom Rupp's long term improvement and the performances of he and Solomon. That's the ONLY REASON. Personal insecurity. Your endorsement of that and then your insinuation that this mud-slinging will somehow "clean up the sport" is flat-out delusional. You insisting that anyone and everyone should do what YOU want is ridiculous. You treat some people like crap in your interviews. Why would they want to go so far out of their way to satisfy whatever demands you have as far as proving their innocence? It'll NEVER be enough. Ever! Plus the questions posed. Disgusting! Abdi and Rupp both spring to mind last year when you or Rojo or whoever tried one of your asinine "gotcha" moments. It's sickening, it's horrible form, and it is a disgrace to "journalism". And that you do that under the pretense of "cleaning up the sport" just shows the lengths that you will go to try and justify your ridiculous behavior. You SHOULD feel like scumbags because the way you bring it up and the slimy, disgusting behavior you ENCOURAGE on these boards is precisely the work of scumbags.[/quote] This post needs to be bronzed. |
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Now you are slandering this site in the same fashion, without evidence. - Where is the evidence that no elite runners will be interviewed here? - Where is the evidence no elite USA coaches will be interviewed here? - Where is the evidence every university/HS has a policy of banning their teams from frequenting this site? You are a fool A Duck, and you don't even see it yourself. I actually agree with several things in this post, but once again you drown your comment in childish and utterly lame insults that makes anyone trying to take you serious to give up. How many times do I have to tell you, the way you act to "defend" The NOP only makes it worse. Get it? You act like the crazy fan that aren't able to come up with any good arguments why your team is clean, but hate on anyone who disagrees with you. You're not even close to having a civil discussion. Get your shit together. If Salaza read what you write I'm sure he shakes his head and wishes you would just shut the f*ck up. |
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Here we go again, you are aware that if not for UCI and FDS (skiing) there would be no bio passport right? Also, the IAAF is doing a shitty job when they knowingly doesn't test the Kenyans in any other way than urine. |
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No, not that kind of rise. That's like saying that Lance looked "well on the rise" before he got to PEDs. He probably was improving when he started using.[/quote] Farah has also stated that he does more two a days, and self care, and takes his whole life around running more seriously than pre Salazar. |
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Well, this should end the thread. Galen loves running. Galen genuinely loves running. That should put to rest any suspicions about PEDs. Galen actually loves running. End of thread.[/quote] Read what the posters concern was. |
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Again, moron, you are only making people dislike you. The smartest thing you could do was to act normal, use great arguments and in that way make people agree with you. I'm sure there are many that would. But when acting like this? Nobody wants to be associated with a lunatic like you. QUESTION FOR A DUCK: DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS? Lets see if you are able to answer "haaaaard" questions. |
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"A Duck" I guess you live in your own version of reality. I'm trying to think if we've ever had an athlete refuse an interview and can't think of an instance.
I guess you don't get it. I did ask Carmelita Jeter about her association with Mark Block at the Olympics. And I had some of the most prominent journalists in the Olympic movement come up and congratulate me on the question. Everytime I see Galen Rupp I'm not going to ask him about doping. Why would I do that? All I'm doing with this thread is saying it is ok for people to discuss whether they believe athlete X or Y is doping. I do think someone should do an article on thyroid medication and its possible potential for abuse by athletes in light of Jos Hermen's comments at the Olympics. (Jos Hermens said to Dutch journalist Marco Knippen who translated the quotes into English and emailed them to me, "Science has triumphed over nature. Formally Farah and Rupp are doing nothing illegal. I rather just questioning if Farah during a doping control hands a laundry list of products specified, for which he apparently has a certificate." and "Within the environment knows almost everyone that it is used. Thyroid hormone affects all. I do not understand why it is not on the banned list.") Maybe I'll be the person who does that article. I do think athletes should be asked why they won't make their TUEs public and Marco did ask Galen about his TUEs at the Olympics and reported to me that Galen said, "About my personal medical record I do not talk." Does that mean Galen is doping? No. Do I think athletes should reveal their TUEs for medically non-sensitive conditions? Yes. With this thread we are saying it is ok for people to post and discuss whether athlete X or Y is doping. It leads to a cleaner sport. People can ask the same questions about Paula Radcliffe who I consider a personal friend. In these threads people point things out that lead to journalists asking questions. I had no idea Felix Sanchez and Duane Solomon train in the same group. Someone pointed that out and that is worth looking into and asking a question about. Does it mean they are doping? No. Is it worth looking into? Yes. Will it cause Duane hopefully to push for an even cleaner sport? I hope so. While you think threads like this are slandering your Ducks I think you have it wrong. It lets information be discussed both pro and con whether someone might be doping. In the thyroid thread, I pointed out that Paula Radcliffe and Ryan Hall have indicated they are on thyroid medication as well. People in threads on this subject often point to the paper Alberto Salazar gave at Duke in 1999 where he said, "I believe that it is currently difficult to be among the top 5 in the world in any of the distance events without using EPO or Human Growth Hormone" and then point out he now has two athletes 1-2 and the world trying to make some sort of connection to doping. http://law.duke.edu/sites/default/files/migrated_files/dl_file-sportscenter-salazar_4.pdf At the Olympics after the 10k, Alberto said to me and others, "Another big problem I believe was there's too many people who use the excuse of drugs, that anyone who runs fast is on drugs. The second you start thinking that as a coach or as an athlete you're basically saying you're not good enough to compete with other people unless you cheat. What I've always told our guys is 'Don't believe all that bull. Those are the losers that say that.' Rather than trying to change their own training to get better they use that as excuse and it's a defeatist attitude. A lot of the mind-set for us was 'We can beat these guys. We've just got to train smart." http://www.letsrun.com/2012/farah-rupp-0804.php I asked him at the Olympics about the disconnect between what he said after the 10k and what he said at Duke in 1999. And he had a very good point. He noted that WADA did not exist when he spoke at Duke. Anti-doping was in a complete different era. Now anti-doping is much stronger so his views had changed. The point being threads like this are a discussion and aren't out to slander athletes. They let people be more informed on the issue. I think Bill Simmons of ESPN/Grantland said it best in today's QOD: "I believe we need to fix this disconnect between our private conversations and our public ones. Cheating in professional sports is an epidemic. Wondering about the reasons behind a dramatically improved performance, or a dramatically fast recovery time, shouldn't be considered off-limits for media members. We shouldn't feel like scumbags bringing this stuff up. It's part of sports." So if it's ok for journalists to ask questions then it's ok for fans to discuss the issue as well. The point you are missing "A Duck" is that just because you wonder about an improved performance has to mean you conclude it is because of doping. But there is nothing wrong with wondering or having the conversation.[/quote] And this "A duck", is how you behave. Here Wejo comes of as mature and reasonable, unlike you who act like a 14 year old girl defending that Justin Bieber in fact DOES make great music, unlike what people are saying. Do you get the difference in you and Wejos behaviour? Do you get that by acting the way you do, you are making it EASY for Wejo to crush your arguments? Do you, A Duck? |
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What you dont understand duckie, is that threads like this give that information and that because of this thread, MORE PEOPLE are likely to belive Solomon are NOT DOPING. Get it? Information is key. And TC's post would not exist had it not been for Patrick White. |
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Hahahahahah wtf! Can we already name this the most childish user of 2013? No chance anyone will be posting anything lamer and more dumb than what A Duck does. He cant even argue like a normal adult, no wonder hes making people think Rupps cheating. Wait until Alberto hears about this, his going to find this duck and shred him to pieces. |
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DING DING DING Answer this Duck and TC? |
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Wrong, Makhloufi is heavily discussed in here. Why are you lying A Duck? Its no wonder Rupp is more discussed either, he is American, Makhloufi is not. |
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Duck, I dare you to answer any questions in post above meant for you. I dare you, but know you'll never do it without childish insults and lame use of capitalizationeeee. |
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Ding ding ding. Lets hear your response to this duck? |