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"I was a competitive athlete as a kid (3.56/8.35 for 1500/3000 at 18) but stopped competing at around 20."
3:56 for 1500m, so 4:13 for mile, but 8:35 for 3k at age 18? And he calls out Rupp for running (3:50i mile, and 8:33 3k) what Rupp is running at 26, 8:33 when he was 4:01 miler at 18 and currently a 3:50i miler but still only runs 8:33 with a 26:48 endurance? This Patrick White's 8:35 at 18 with a 3:56 1500m looks more suspicious than anything in Rupp's career progression.
Best post in thread. I'd love to have a look at the biological passport data for top distance runners like bekele, farah and rupp. It's also interesting that it only measures blood parameters like hematocrit, and that they have not begun using hormonal measures like testosterone levels, which is obviously needed.
The IAAF is using Bio Passports, and busting people. You gotta trust them to do their job.
(The only time I have seen an anonymous poster challenge that notion -- they are trashing Kenyans. Well guess what, first fairly weak sign of evidence by the German media, and the IAAF created a way to get to Kenya and do surprise tests. UCI wouldn't have done a thing.)
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THIS should be a popup that flashes every time Wejo or Rojo decide to post. They shouldn't be able to post until reading this aloud each time.
And that the mods are deleting posts that say similar just PROVES the inane agenda being perpetuated here.
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It seems that what you're essentially saying is that this place is only good for collecting information.
The Brojos can copy and paste links. So can any eight year old.
And that's about all they're good for.
Their "journalism" is a FARCE and these message boards are a cesspool of vitriol and waste that is toxic to the sport itself.
i did not go through the whole list of messages, but did anybody else notice that felix sanchez is a training partner of solomon? and did you notice that they both made some major leaps forward this year?
must be the coach right?
well, but did you notice that felix sanchez was nowhere close his old fitness for years (let's say from the years of Balco time..?)
connect the dots, or just wonder about it all...
either way, the sport of running is beautiful...
Lance doesn't agree with you re doping, and he would know:
"...it's about ALL endurance sports."
You want to really be sick?
The Blojo's are deleting posts right left refuting their contentions.
And none of those posts violate their guidelines.
It's a snowjob guys.
This is not an open forum.
THERE IS A REASON EXACTLY ZERO ELITE USA ATHLETES WILL AGREE TO BE INTERVIEWED BY THIS WEBSITE.
THERE IS A REASON EXACTLY ZERO ELITE USA COACHES WILL AGREE TO BE INTERVIEWED BY THIS WEBSITE.
THERE IS A REASON ALMOST EVERY SINGLE UNIVERSITY AND HIGH SCHOOL BANS THEIR ATHLETES FROM VISITING THIS WEBSITE.
I have made these statements based on reading actual comments and interviews from athletes and coaches over the years:
This website has exactly ZERO Credibility.
To those that agree, please keep posting this facts forever into the future.
The Blojo's have been deleting them, which is pretty crazy.
You can accuse an elite athlete of PED use here, but you can't state the truth about the reputation of this website with out the Blojo's deleting it.
GUYS, you pimp yourselves on the front page, you are going to get debated.
Man up and let it stand.
The dude is newly married, kudo's to him for flying home to be with his wife.
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What does that have to do with anything.
Read the OP. What is this thread based ENTIRELY on?
The OP thinks Rupp and Solomon "improved too quickly or ran too quickly".
The best thing about the site is the links and recaps. P White asked a semi-serious question but, lets face it, the thread gained traction because lots of people hate Rupp. A Duck is right on one point - this site has allowed many immature, homophobic and insensitive things to be said about the guy since he was a teen. That is just the history here.
I think it's fine to ask an occasional serious and reasoned question about performance. You don't need proof but you need an intelligent thought (BTWI am not sure a few mile times in 2008 makes a strong argument). I think Simmons is right to ask about Ray Lewis and it is long past time for major sports to take the lead and develop effective passports programs.
However it is frustrating to come to the message board and just see a bunch of baseless accusations take over threads. I would not encourage that.
Also, I have tried to start discussions of professionals and there is either no interest or a few people who quickly post rude and slanderous comments.
If people talk about the subject lf PEDs seriously and with purpose, that is great. But let's not pretend that most of the accusations can be characterized thy way.
Lets get back to talking about races.
They deleted your other post/s.
Thanks, and I agree with you. I would add that I am right on all my other points as well -- they fit into your "no one really wants to talk about elites" point, no one pursues lines of FACTS here...FACTS that have always been linked from here...because it is easier to just post bad faith sht and....the Brojo's have let this be and become a cesspool from day one.
Elite and name runners that used to post have all gone away.
Additionally, the Lojo's should address WHY they allowed Rupp to be called homophobic names and all the other immature posts to stay up for so many years.
And, you are wrong that people hate Rupp. You don't see it anywhere else on the web, except here.
They encouraged it, tacitly or otherwise, and let the personal attacks on Rupp stay up.
The Lojo's are responsible for creating this absurd, hateful and disgusting sub-culture.
It's classier than 100,000 other posts they've allowed over the years.
Hit other threads too.
Newbies need to understand this, and be up to speed too.
What elites say about this site, and them, should be important to them.
Or, if it isn't, that is a HUGE RED FLAG right there, that they have never cared about the sport.
Solomon did not come from out of no where and have one great race, he kelp getting better as the season progressed and then ran the race of his life at the Olympics. I think everyone in that Olympics 800m PRed. Toss out the Olympics 800, which was just one of those magical races for everyone and I would say Nick Symmonds made about the same type of improvement in 2007. Solomon ran 1:49x in H.S. and 1:45x in the NCAA, why is it inconceivable that he would improve in just his 3rd season as a pro and with a coaching change. Like I said, toss out the Olympics and Solomon is basically a 1:43x guy, which is very good, but not off the charts. Solomon is not like a Taoufik Makhloufi who never placed in a major competition and then wins the Olympic gold medal.
Well this thread shows how you can't make everyone happy. Poster "A Duck" is crucifying us for being unfair to Galen Rupp and his team yet poster "Andrew Dawson" says we have specific information about Mo Farah and are not doing anything with it.
I can assure you "Andre Dawson's" allegations are false. If anyone has any information on any doping matters you can email me confidentially at firstname.lastname@example.org
Now I guess "A Duck" would say "Andrew Dawson's" post is libelous but we have explained our position on why we let such posts exists.
Now onto some of "A Duck's" arguments:
"A Duck" I guess you live in your own version of reality.
I'm trying to think if we've ever had an athlete refuse an interview and can't think of an instance.
I guess you don't get it.
I did ask Carmelita Jeter about her association with Mark Block at the Olympics. And I had some of the most prominent journalists in the Olympic movement come up and congratulate me on the question.
Everytime I see Galen Rupp I'm not going to ask him about doping. Why would I do that? All I'm doing with this thread is saying it is ok for people to discuss whether they believe athlete X or Y is doping.
I do think someone should do an article on thyroid medication and its possible potential for abuse by athletes in light of Jos Hermen's comments at the Olympics. (Jos Hermens said to Dutch journalist Marco Knippen who translated the quotes into English and emailed them to me, "Science has triumphed over nature. Formally Farah and Rupp are doing nothing illegal. I rather just questioning if Farah during a doping control hands a laundry list of products specified, for which he apparently has a certificate." and "Within the environment knows almost everyone that it is used. Thyroid hormone affects all. I do not understand why it is not on the banned list.") Maybe I'll be the person who does that article. I do think athletes should be asked why they won't make their TUEs public and Marco did ask Galen about his TUEs at the Olympics and reported to me that Galen said, "About my
personal medical record I do not talk." Does that mean Galen is doping? No.
Do I think athletes should reveal their TUEs for medically non-sensitive conditions? Yes.
With this thread we are saying it is ok for people to post and discuss whether athlete X or Y is doping. It leads to a cleaner sport.
People can ask the same questions about Paula Radcliffe who I consider a personal friend.
In these threads people point things out that lead to journalists asking questions. I had no idea Felix Sanchez and Duane Solomon train in the same group. Someone pointed that out and that is worth looking into and asking a question about. Does it mean they are doping? No. Is it worth looking into? Yes. Will it cause Duane hopefully to push for an even cleaner sport? I hope so.
While you think threads like this are slandering your Ducks I think you have it wrong. It lets information be discussed both pro and con whether someone might be doping. In the thyroid thread, I pointed out that Paula Radcliffe and Ryan Hall have indicated they are on thyroid medication as well.
People in threads on this subject often point to the paper Alberto Salazar gave at Duke in 1999 where he said, "I believe that it is currently difficult to be among the top 5 in the world in any of the distance events without using EPO or Human Growth Hormone" and then point out he now has two athletes 1-2 and the world trying to make some sort of connection to doping.
At the Olympics after the 10k, Alberto said to me and others, "Another big problem I believe was there's too many people who use the excuse of drugs, that anyone who runs fast is on drugs. The second you start thinking that as a coach or as an athlete you're basically saying you're not good enough to compete with other people unless you cheat. What I've always told our guys is 'Don't believe all that bull. Those are the losers that say that.' Rather than trying to change their own training to get better they use that as excuse and it's a defeatist attitude. A lot of the mind-set for us was 'We can beat these guys. We've just got to train smart."
I asked him at the Olympics about the disconnect between what he said after the 10k and what he said at Duke in 1999. And he had a very good point. He noted that WADA did not exist when he spoke at Duke. Anti-doping was in a complete different era. Now anti-doping is much stronger so his views had changed.
The point being threads like this are a discussion and aren't out to slander athletes. They let people be more informed on the issue.
I think Bill Simmons of ESPN/Grantland said it best in today's QOD: "I believe we need to fix this disconnect between our private conversations and our public ones. Cheating in professional sports is an epidemic. Wondering about the reasons behind a dramatically improved performance, or a dramatically fast recovery time, shouldn't be considered off-limits for media members. We shouldn't feel like scumbags bringing this stuff up. It's part of sports."
So if it's ok for journalists to ask questions then it's ok for fans to discuss the issue as well.
The point you are missing "A Duck" is that just because you wonder about an improved performance has to mean you conclude it is because of doping. But there is nothing wrong with wondering or having the conversation.
Great points, and this is precisely one of my points.
The information is out there.
Patrick White didn't take 20 SECONDS to think things through before making this thread.
--People like you have pointed out Solomon's talent for years. Others have pointed out his progression, like you, on this board, for YEARS. Before the Olympic Trials someone posted that Solomon had been running some hot workouts. Solomon has fans and friends out there that post information.
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You're just being disingenuous and you know it.
This thread is about DOPING and was created solely because Patrick White couldn't fathom Rupp's long term improvement and the performances of he and Solomon.
That's the ONLY REASON.
Your endorsement of that and then your insinuation that this mud-slinging will somehow "clean up the sport" is flat-out delusional.
You insisting that anyone and everyone should do what YOU want is ridiculous. You treat some people like crap in your interviews. Why would they want to go so far out of their way to satisfy whatever demands you have as far as proving their innocence? It'll NEVER be enough. Ever! Plus the questions posed. Disgusting! Abdi and Rupp both spring to mind last year when you or Rojo or whoever tried one of your asinine "gotcha" moments.
It's sickening, it's horrible form, and it is a disgrace to "journalism".
And that you do that under the pretense of "cleaning up the sport" just shows the lengths that you will go to try and justify your ridiculous behavior.
You SHOULD feel like scumbags because the way you bring it up and the slimy, disgusting behavior you ENCOURAGE on these boards is precisely the work of scumbags.
LOL, your post is BACK.
Something tells me a Brojo is 3 sheets to the wind tonight.
Too bad LRC doesn't have corporate drug testing.
Somebodies would FAIL the alcohol test.