Rondon wrote:
Great coach, even better man.
Might depend on your criteria. I just read a few dozen of his text messages about having sex with athletes under his coaching. So I kind of disagree based on that snapshot.
Deadspin has an investigation into the resignation:
The truth is out.
Bump, bump, bump.
Today Deadspin has a lengthy piece on the Hadsell resignation which includes extensive documentation (e.g., text messages) and interviews with numerous team members, past and present. http://deadspin.com/5983592/im-down-for-drinks-laughs-sex-the-sexual-harassment-claims-that-brought-down-toledos-running-coachBut the main points in the Deadspin story were actually revealed on this thread about 3 weeks ago. Of course, that poster was accused of being full of it etc etc. So I just wanted to give some props to IKNOWEVERYTHING for, in fact, knowing everything about this story and sharing it. Turns out you were right, and those who doubted you were wrong. And I rarely have much good to say about the work of Let's Run moderators, but props to them for not deleting that post, which I quote here because it's back a whole bunch of pages ...
IKNOWEVERYTHING wrote:
I actually do have the true story, and I'm going to tell it because I feel like the truth finally needs to come out. Coach Hadsell obviously helped build the women's team into something extraordinary. But as far as positive things go, that's it. Here's the facts. In the far past he had slept/dated one of his athletes and then cheated on her and slept with another athlete. Who knows how many of his athletes he has done this to in the past 15 years (I do not know, and honestly I'm not sure I want to know)He has also partied with his athletes on team trips, and many of these girls were underage. And yes he has bought the underage girls drinks. It is not uncommon for him to drop a lot of money at the bars on team trips with his athletes present at the bars. He also breeds eating disorders. The women on the Toledo team have gone through so much self esteem issues because of the comments Hadsell makes. He might not directly tell them "You're fat lose weight," but he is constantly on them all about their weight and points out girls on other teams and makes fun of them for their "muffin tops" when they are no more than 105 pounds. Comments like that makes the Toledo girls stare at their so called "muffin tops" a few extra moments in the mirror and feel terrible about themselves. But this isn't why he was forced into resignation. I won't use names in this scandal, however I'm sure most of you will figure it out within 30 seconds of reading this post. Coach Hadsell was having a sexual relationship with one of his athletes for approximately 2 years, basically his "mistress" (she has since graduated, but this was going on while she was running for him) Meanwhile, he had been sending inappropriate texts to another woman on the team (the mistresses roommate, actually), a woman that happens to be very VERY fast. These inappropriate texts were not welcome, but Hadsell just kept them coming (I'm talking over a span of years), so one roommate was being sexually harrassed by Hadsell while the other one was sleeping with him. Needless to say he turned his mistress against the fast girl and made her out to be the bad guy. (the mistress is still defending Coach Hadsell in all of this because he has manipulated her that much. ehem "Sleeping with the Enemy") And people will wonder "Why didn't fast girl rat him out years ago when this all started?" And I'll tell you that it's the same reason not one single girl over his entire coaching career at UT ratted him out... he is a powerful guy, he has a lot of pull in the running community, and they were all scared. If one of his athletes didn't agree with him, they might as well kiss their running career goodbye. Because if you wronged Hadsell you could say goodbye to him focusing on your training, caring how you raced, traveling you to meets, etc etc. So this very fast runner put up with it and kept it a secret for years because she just wanted to graduate and further her running career. But sometimes enough is enough. She knew this would continue long after she graduated and just couldn't let him do this to the future Toledo generations. This is not the fault of The University of Toledo. As soon as this huge scandal was brought to their attention they took action. So thank you, very fast runner, for speaking up not only for yourself, but for Toledo Cross Country, past, present, and future. So before you bloggers say he was a "good guy" or that "any male coach would have done it," please think about the emotional damage he has done.
The local paper's story...
It appears that the only text messages involved in this case are those one one athletes phone. They're only accessible because she never deleted them.
Er... wrote:
This isn't actually the case. From a 2012 article on a congressional plan to require storage of this date:
"as of 2010, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint did not store the contents of text messages..."
Polish Rocket wrote:The nice thing about text messages, is that they don't go away, and you are able to get a hard copy from your provider, just ask Kwame Kilpatrick. I hope that all of these ladies get their records for future reference, and furthermore, I would love to see them posted right here so that his defenders will give it a rest, and we can collectively prevent this guy from getting another job where he can prey on others.
Props Are Due wrote:
And I rarely have much good to say about the work of Let's Run moderators, but props to them for not deleting that post,
Correction: The moderators had deleted the thread, but re-instated it after Deadspin broke the story. So much for them getting one right.
This guy is as bad as Armstrong. Actually I'm going to go out on a limb and say the things he did are worse that Armstrong.
This happens quite a bit in the world of XC & T&F. When you have grown men in charge of nubile young women, trouble is always lurking. Im not saying it's impossible, or defending this guy, but any hetrosexual man would be tempted.
Also the relationship between runner and coach can be so intensely personal that lines get crossed.
If I had a daughter that ran I think I would be paranoid about who was coaching her and rightly so.
New tweet from Kevin Hadsell today: "These bitches is getting truculent."
Big deal. Adults can make choices, it doesn't sound like he was exactly date raping them. Driving the team van drunk, if true, is the serious offense.
I'd like to know how many of the posts in this thread were written by Kevin Hadsell. Some of these posters up in here was getting truculent.
hadsell is a sick dude. that is psychological torture he was inflicting on the team. seriously - hooking up with multiple team members and successfully lying about it for years by convincing everyone else that they are the crazy ones? that story disgusts me. i can't believe toledo didn't figure this out for 15 years.
The texts are undeniable.
However, a lot of claims of favoritism, and other bullshit are questionable.
Coaching for 20 years, it is always the athletes who are not personally invested who cry the most. Better athletes and more successful athletes should get more attention and should get more opportunities.
Do you think a football coach gives a shit about a bench warmer? No. They spend their time and energy on play makers.
So while it generally seems Hadsell is a dirt bag, he was also a decent coach (for a shitty Midwest conference) and probably allocated his time and energy at practice in the right way. Now late at night (some of those texts were at 1am in the morning) he was a shitty coach as he was disrupting a star athlete's rest and recovery.
Remember Clinton was a good president but also got Oval Office bjs.
Now I'm rambling...
Bosnian wrote:
Big deal. Adults can make choices, it doesn't sound like he was exactly date raping them. Driving the team van drunk, if true, is the serious offense.
True. The other offenses weren't criminal, just a guy being a colossal douche.
Different rules for men. See Bev Kearney/ Major Applewhite at Texas.
BitchesRtruc wrote:
The texts are undeniable.
However, a lot of claims of favoritism, and other bullshit are questionable.
Coaching for 20 years, it is always the athletes who are not personally invested who cry the most. Better athletes and more successful athletes should get more attention and should get more opportunities.
Do you think a football coach gives a shit about a bench warmer? No. They spend their time and energy on play makers.
So while it generally seems Hadsell is a dirt bag, he was also a decent coach (for a shitty Midwest conference) and probably allocated his time and energy at practice in the right way. Now late at night (some of those texts were at 1am in the morning) he was a shitty coach as he was disrupting a star athlete's rest and recovery.
Remember Clinton was a good president but also got Oval Office bjs.
Now I'm rambling...
I think he should be fired (if he hadn't stepped down ) if charges of driving drunk or giving minors booze are true...Really, those are the serious charges. Having sex with consenting adults really is no big deal. He is a coach of adults, not high schoolers.
Judging from the texts, the man is an idiot, not some evil genius puppet master pitting teammates against each other and vying for his attention. Give me a break. That seems to be mostly the imagination of a jealous, histrionic young woman. He isn't a good dude and doesn't need to be in a leadership role, but come on, really, lady? They make him sound like a master of manipulation.
[quote]Title IX Guy wrote:
Different rules for men. See Bev Kearney/ Major Applewhite at Texas.
Not true. The rules are different for having a relationship you with a Student you have authority / control over versus any Student. It is an Authority Role or not that makes them different. Not Male vs Female.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
Rondon wrote:Great coach, even better man.
Might depend on your criteria. I just read a few dozen of his text messages about having sex with athletes under his coaching. So I kind of disagree based on that snapshot.
Well...sh1t...
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