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Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/15/2013 10:05AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Kagawa Marugame half marathon entry lists:
http://japanrunningnews.blogspot.ie/2013/01/olympic-marathon-medalists-gelana-and.html

Women
Kim Smith (New Zealand) - 1:07:11
Yukiko Akaba (Team Hokuren) - 1:08:11
Nicole Chapple (Australia) - 1:08:37
Tiki Gelana (Ethiopia) - 1:08:48
Yumiko Hara (Team Univ. Ent.) - 1:09:28
Marisa Barros (Portugal) - 1:09:41
Hiroko Miyauchi (Team Kyocera) - 1:09:54
Eri Hayakawa (Team Toto) - 1:10:14
Kaori Yoshida (Puma RC) - 1:10:18
Sayo Nomura (Team Daiichi Seimei) - 1:10:34
Misato Horie (Team Noritz) - 1:10:37
Yuko Shimizu (Team Sekisui Kagaku) - 1:10:58

Men
Abel Kirui (Kenya) - 1:00:11
Atsushi Sato (Team Chugoku Denryoku) - 1:00:25
Jacob Wanjuki (Kenya/Team Aichi Seiko) - 1:00:32
Alistair Cragg (Ireland) - 1:00:49
Tsuyoshi Ugachi (Team Konica Minolta) - 1:00:58
Daniel Gitau (Kenya/Team Fujitsu) - 1:01:01
Benjamin Gandu (Nihon Univ.) - 1:01:06
Collis Birmingham (Australia) - 1:01:25
Arata Fujiwara (Miki House) - 1:01:34
Johana Maina (Team Fujitsu) - 1:01:34
Tatsunori Hamasaki (Team Komori Corp.) - 1:01:45
Yuta Igarashi (Team JR Higashi Nihon) - 1:01:46
Kenta Oshima (Team NTN) - 1:01:48
Yuko Matsumiya (Team Hitachi Butsuryu) - 1:01:53
Yuichiro Ogawa (Team Kanebo) - 1:01:53
Ryo Yamamoto (Team Sagawa Express) - 1:01:54
Tomoyuki Morita (Team Kanebo) - 1:01:55
Hiromitsu Kakuage (Komazawa Univ.) - 1:01:56
Takahiro Yamanaka (Team Honda) - 1:01:57
Masamichi Shinozaki (Team Hitachi Butsuryu) - 1:01:58
Hiroyuki Uno (Team Honda) - 1:01:58
Shuji Yoshikawa (Team Kyudenko) - 1:01:58
Kidane Tadasse (Eritrea) - debut - 27:06.16 for 10000 m
Ryuji Ono (Team Asahi Kasei) - debut - 27:53.19 for 10000 m
Enock Omwamba (Kenya/Yamanashi Gakuin Univ.) - debut - 28:17.00 for 10000 m

Deep fields and usually fast times but not one American in the mens or womens race. Why don't more American go to these races?
Wimps
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/15/2013 10:18AM - in reply to japan is where its at Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Its not just Japan , its americans do not race enough around the world.
Poor coaching and understanding international competition.
Lack of a master plan to develop an athlete long term with international exposure.
Poor agent not knowing how to get athlete into international competitions.
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RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/15/2013 10:35AM - in reply to Wimps Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
So is this why Meb doesn't race in Japan or much around the world?
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RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/15/2013 10:54AM - in reply to japan is where its at Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Money. The top Americans are paid handsomely to race in the US and the appearance fees they command overseas are not worth it. I'm sure if more Americans signed with Japanese shoe companies they would get bonuses for racing internationally, but Nike is not going to pay their US athletes to go race in Japan or Europe unless they have a chance of winning. Might as well send their Africans.
might be wejo
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/15/2013 11:11AM - in reply to :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
How excited would you be if some Japanese guys came over to race here? Unless they were winning races, I would guess not at all. Same deal over in Japan; they wouldn't care about Americans unless they were winning and the reality is very few non-Africans are beating the Africans (of which there are a fair number in Japan). No interest, no money.

Plus, Japan is really far away. Tokyo is 10 times zones away from New York, so the jet lag is going to be pretty bad. In a sport where wins and losses rely almost entirely on fitness, a disadvantage like that is huge. It's not as bad for those on the west coast, which I guess is where most professional American runners live, but still not ideal.

Lastly, from a competitive standpoint it's not like the best guys in the world are from Japan. Yes the scene there is good and competitive, but it is not the pinnacle of competition. They don't even host a diamond league meet, or any track meet of internation consequence from what I can tell. Japan is more focused on the raods, but today roads means the marathon. Fukuoka and Tokyo are good and all, but they are not one of the majors. They are on par with most of the other "B" level marathons, which consist mainly of all the European ones save Berlin and London plus a few other ones like Dubai and the two Japanese ones.
tardbro
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/15/2013 11:54AM - in reply to japan is where its at Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
A) Expensive
B) Radioactive
C) Japanese are racists
RAC
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/15/2013 11:59AM - in reply to japan is where its at Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Because it wouldn't benefit US based sponsors.
troof be told
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/15/2013 3:17PM - in reply to might be wejo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

might be wejo wrote:

Fukuoka and Tokyo are good and all, but they are not one of the majors.


Actually Tokyo is one of the majors.
troof be told
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/15/2013 3:30PM - in reply to japan is where its at Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
A few good reasons have already been given, but another is that the Japanese races have very limited places and budget available for non-Japanese athletes and that there are few Americans good enough to justify taking them over better athletes from other countries. If you're going to take four people from overseas like in the race you posted above why would you take a 62-minute American when you could get a random 27:06 Eritrean to debut? The handful of Americans faster than 62 or with a track time near 27:06 would probably be way more expensive.
Fuk & Tok are majors
Fuk & Tok are majors 1/15/2013 3:42PM - in reply to troof be told Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Fuk & Tok are majors
To Ki Do Ki
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/15/2013 9:08PM - in reply to japan is where its at Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Japan has an ancient society and culture which is very similar to Kenya and Ethiopoia thus Kenyans and Ethiopians very easily adapt to Japanese ways.
yikesman
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/15/2013 11:18PM - in reply to To Ki Do Ki Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
cause its crazy far away!! you try racing after travelling for that long
Jeff Wigand
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/15/2013 11:45PM - in reply to yikesman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

yikesman wrote:

cause its crazy far away!! you try racing after travelling for that long


Kenyans and Ethiopians do it all the time. Jetlag is overrated.
You knew already, but.........
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/16/2013 12:50AM - in reply to japan is where its at Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
obviously the reason is Japanese drug testers will not provide coaches aprior information on test sampling that technicians require to avoid detection.
Whoops!
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/16/2013 1:08AM - in reply to Wimps Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Wimps wrote:

Its not just Japan , its americans do not race enough around the world.
Poor coaching and understanding international competition.
Lack of a master plan to develop an athlete long term with international exposure.
Poor agent not knowing how to get athlete into international competitions.


None of these four sentences are sentences.
Jeff Wigand
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/16/2013 7:10AM - in reply to You knew already, but......... Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

You knew already, but......... wrote:

obviously the reason is Japanese drug testers will not provide coaches aprior information on test sampling that technicians require to avoid detection.


No one gets the heads up these days. No one's getting help from USADA or WADA. There are corrupt federations still in the works, but they're relics. Christian Cantwell got tested while at the hospital the day his son was born, while at a casino and while he was gone fishing. Does that really sound like cooperative work?

I know it's fun to think, "my head's not in the sand...I know how it is in the real world...I'm no pollyanna..." but take a step back from the joys of cynicism and consider the possibility that there is no massive conspiracy between reliable testing agencies, the federations of free nations and athletes and that no athlete is safe.
jhmg
RE: Fuk & Tok are majors 1/16/2013 7:50AM - in reply to Fuk & Tok are majors Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Fuk & Tok are majors wrote:

Fuk & Tok are majors


Tokyo is a major, Fukuoka is not. I hear this sort of thing all the time on here, "do you think x marathon is good enough to be called a major?" and other shit like that. Do you guys realize that the World Marathon Majors refers to a specific list of 6 races? "Major" is not a term you can just throw around and debate about. Tokyo, Boston, London, Berlin, Chicago, NYC. That's it.
Welcome to the Running World
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/16/2013 11:13AM - in reply to japan is where its at Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Fukuoka and Tokyo have beem major marathons for decades already. The league you mention is a misnomer. Hope this helps.
jhmg
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/16/2013 11:34AM - in reply to Welcome to the Running World Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
http://worldmarathonmajors.com/US/

Do you running fans really not know about this?
might be wejo
RE: Why don't more American race in Japan? 1/16/2013 11:40AM - in reply to Welcome to the Running World Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
"Major" is short for one of the races in the World Marathon Majors series. I had thought that Tokyo was replacing New York for this time only, but it seems that as of two months ago Tokyo is formally a permenent part of the series. I stand corrected. Fukuoka is not part of the series.

Fukuoka is a good race with a lot of history, but the depth of the field is not as good as the WMM races.
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