With regard to this post, I will only address Meb. Maybe the guy can't go under 2:09, but he's a throwback, and I have underestimated him his entire career. He's an anomoly. In an age when everyone and his brother is running under 2:07, here is what Meb has done with a 2:09: second in the Olys, fourth in the Olys, first and fourth at NYC. Someday he'll be one day too old and one marathon too many, but I, for one, have underestimated him far too long. He doesn't do time trials. It's a hilly course, and more often than not, the weather is too hot. That's Meb's kind of race. Uhnderestimate him at your own risk.