HEPS Track and Field 2012-13

C/M Runner wrote:

Poor girl! Hope she has a speedy recovery.

To whom are you referring?

confused on this wrote:

C/M Runner wrote:

Poor girl! Hope she has a speedy recovery.

To whom are you referring?

There had been a post--since deleted?--to the effect that Harvard's junior jav thrower, Hannah Mayer, had blown a knee.

Perhaps the post was erroneous, which could explain its deletion.

So what do you think? Bruno H-R in both relays, and only the open 200? Spooney in 100 and 200?

Cornell has a capable backup guy in the 400 (but then they have a couple such in the 100 and 200). Brown has another likely finalist in the 400.

In any case, Brown isn't in the hunt for a team title, and Cornell is. Realistically, the Princeton guy(s) in the 400 will do very well--based on their relays splits, anyway--so the question is how Cornell can maximize BHR's points while still keeping him healthy and fresh. Their 400 relay has to be looking far beyond Heps this season, which could also affect some decisions.

kibitzer wrote:

confused on this wrote:

To whom are you referring?

There had been a post--since deleted?--to the effect that Harvard's junior jav thrower, Hannah Mayer, had blown a knee.

Perhaps the post was erroneous, which could explain its deletion.

Huh - so it is gone.

It's also funny - on Wednesday night, the Harvard T&F twitter account had announced they had their Heps lineup ready and were planning to announce it that night, but nothing has shown up. I know one of the asst coaches runs the twitter account, and based on the poster's name of who published the status of Hannah Mayer, I believe they are the same person. Perhaps he wasn't supposed to share the info this close to Heps?

So I was the one who had posted about Hannah Meyer.

I have absolutely no idea how it got deleted. (I'm not the Harvard assistant by the way)

FINAL MEN'S HEPS RANKINGS BASED ON ENTRIES

Took every athlete's collegiate PB from Indoor 2011 to Present (converted mile times to 1500m times)

Scoring based on Entries not counting the 3 Relays:

176 Cornell

142.5 Princeton

71 Harvard

53.5 Dartmouth

47 Columbia

44 Brown

42.5 Penn

12.5 Yale

Number of 7th/8th Seeds (Just outside of scoring):

10 Harvard

7 Princeton

8 Dartmouth

5 Brown

3 Cornell

3 Penn

3 Yale

2 Columbia

RNK EVENT ATHLETE SCHOOL MARK PTS

1 100 Reilly, Connor Dartmouth 10.46 10.0

2 100 Ojukwu, Kinsley Cornell 10.54 8.0

3 100 Bain, Chris Cornell 10.60 6.0

4 100 Spooney, John Brown 10.62 4.0

5 100 Buskey, Brett Dartmouth 10.63 2.0

6 100 Adarquah-Yiadon, Jedidiah Cornell 10.65 1.0

7 100 Hill, John Princeton 10.74

8 100 Mazola, Anthony Brown 10.81

1 200 Spooney, John Brown 21.05 10.0

2 200 Hortelano-Roig, Bruno Cornell 21.18 8.0

3 200 Hopkins, Tom Princeton 21.19 6.0

4 200 Ojukwu, Kinsley Cornell 21.43 4.0

5 200 Reilly, Connor Dartmouth 21.62 2.0

6 200 Adarquah-Yiadon, Jedidiah Cornell 21.79 1.0

7 200 Bishop, Jalil Dartmouth 21.86

8 200 Mazola, Anthony Brown 21.87

1 400 Hopkins, Tom Princeton 46.23 10.0

2 400 Hollimon, Austin Princeton 46.47 8.0

3 400 Hortelano-Roig, Bruno Cornell 47.55 6.0

4 400 Gibson, Larry Cornell 48.51 4.0

5 400 Bishop, Jalil Dartmouth 48.90 2.0

6 400 Brown, Ajani Brown 49.13 1.0

7 400 Kadich, Jared Harvard 49.21

8 400 Hurley, Dylan Yale 49.26

1 800 McFann, Harry Columbia 1:48.14 10.0

2 800 Dinkins, Russell Princeton 1:48.26 8.0

3 800 Weinlandt, Will Cornell 1:48.43 6.0

4 800 Fish, Brendon Columbia 1:48.64 4.0

5 800 Claflin, Connor Columbia 1:48.72 2.0

6 800 Paternostro, Bradley Princeton 1:49.26 1.0

7 800 Bekelja, Mato Penn 1:49.62

8 800 Zirngibl, Lukas Dartmouth 1:50.40

1 1500 Callahan, Peter Princeton 3:41.28 10.0

2 1500 Wade, Nick Cornell 3:42.43 8.0

3 1500 Feigen, Mark Columbia 3:43.11 6.0

4 1500 Berg, Erik Brown 3:44.57 4.0

5 1500 Cooper, Kevin Brown 3:44.92 2.0

6 1500 Williams, Michael Princeton 3:44.97 1.0

7 1500 Willig, Ned Brown 3:45.53

8 1500 Jones, Byron Columbia 3:45.94

1 10K Murphy, Mike Columbia 29:03.33 10.0

2 10K Korolev, Maksim Harvard 29:13.80 8.0

3 10K Kelly, Brett Cornell 29:14.85 6.0

4 10K Arroyo Yamin, Alejandro Princeton 29:27.00 4.0

5 10K Frankin, Michael Princeton 29:27.89 2.0

6 10K Bendtsen, Chris Princeton 29:32.15 1.0

7 10K Leakos, James Harvard 29:37.17

8 10K Udland, Tyler Princeton 29:39.81

1 110H Hairston, Max Cornell 14.13 9.0

1 110H Harris, Jarvis Harvard 14.13 9.0

3 110H Zeller, Zach Cornell 14.42 6.0

4 110H Sheldon, Richard Princeton 14.51 4.0

5 110H Mohr, Robert Princeton 14.55 2.0

6 110H Barry, Seck Penn 14.62 1.0

7 110H Caldwell, Gregory Princeton 14.83

8 110H Evanter, Jacob Dartmouth 14.95

1 3KSteeple Gregorek, John Columbia 8:52.85 10.0

2 3KSteeple Owens, Eddie Princeton 8:53.55 8.0

3 3KSteeple Martin, Connor Princeton 8:57.61 6.0

4 3KSteeple Sterling, Henry Dartmouth 9:00.63 4.0

5 3KSteeple Smith, Brendan Penn 9:07.00 2.0

6 3KSteeple Bush, Jeff Brown 9:07.71 1.0

7 3KSteeple Kotran, Joe Columbia 9:07.72

8 3KSteeple Brinkofski, Teddy Cornell 9:09.38

1 400H Hollimon, Austin Princeton 50.38 10.0

2 400H Timmins, Tom Penn 52.23 8.0

3 400H Carey, Tim Penn 52.44 6.0

4 400H Anderson, Andre Cornell 52.76 4.0

5 400H Keefer, Zach Brown 53.04 2.0

6 400H Hairston, Max Cornell 53.13 1.0

7 400H Wagner, Edward Dartmouth 53.17

8 400H Rowe, William Yale 53.73

1 5K Geoghegan, Will Dartmouth 13:55.92 10.0

2 5K Leakos, James Harvard 13:56.93 8.0

3 5K Bendtsen, Chris Princeton 13:57.46 6.0

4 5K Everett, Daniel Columbia 13:57.72 4.0

5 5K Korolev, Maksim Harvard 13:58.51 2.0

6 5K Arroyo Yamin, Alejandro Princeton 14:02.08 1.0

7 5K Awad, Thomas Penn 14:04.75

8 5K Udland, Tyler Princeton 14:05.78

1 DEC Weinstock, Evan Brown 7075 10.0

2 DEC Soerens, Stephen Princeton 6895 8.0

3 DEC Pelisek, Brad Princeton 6771 6.0

4 DEC Sheldon, Richard Princeton 6754 4.0

5 DEC Rhodes, Peter Brown 6632 2.0

6 DEC Rabbitt, Mike Cornell 6226 1.0

7 DEC Barjon, Jacques Harvard 6108

8 DEC Oslin, Bryan Princeton 5541

1 DT Mozia, Stephen Cornell 59.91m 10.0

2 DT Mattis, Sam Penn 57.67m 8.0

3 DT Clavette, Courtland Brown 57.04m 6.0

4 DT Levine, Michael Yale 54.30m 4.0

5 DT Liokumovich, Igor Harvard 52.87m 2.0

6 DT Brucker, Edward Harvard 51.73m 1.0

7 DT Brode, Dustin Harvard 50.26m

8 DT Brenza, Jacob Penn 48.20m

1 HJ Reynolds, Maalik Penn 2.28m 10.0

2 HJ Blair, Montez Cornell 2.27m 8.0

3 HJ Butler, Tommy Cornell 2.16m 5.0

3 HJ Afadapa, Stephen Cornell 2.16m 5.0

5 HJ Pitt, Thomas Penn 2.08m 1.5

5 HJ Jarrett, Omar Princeton 2.08m 1.5

7 HJ Birck, Jeremy Dartmouth 2.04m

7 HJ Sparks, Jonathan Harvard 2.04m

7 HJ Garin, Fedor Harvard 2.04m

1 HT Glauser, Ben Harvard 60.02m 10.0

2 HT Servino, Thomas Dartmouth 59.35m 8.0

3 HT Levine, Michael Yale 58.71m 6.0

4 HT Fiedler, Bob Cornell 58.36m 4.0

5 HT Brode, Dustin Harvard 56.12m 2.0

6 HT Dickerson, Duncan Columbia 55.85m 1.0

7 HT Mozia, Stephen Cornell 55.21m

8 HT Polega, Matthew Harvard 52.48m

1 JT Robbins, Rob Cornell 70.68m 10.0

2 JT Gilson, Brett Dartmouth 64.29m 8.0

3 JT Budzinski, Jim Dartmouth 63.37m 6.0

4 JT Ingram, Karl Penn 62.75m 4.0

5 JT Bingaman, Alec Princeton 57.95m 2.0

6 JT Pelisek, Brad Princeton 57.80m 1.0

7 JT Shippee, Jacob Dartmouth 56.85m

8 JT Nollet, Ben Dartmouth 56.80m

1 LJ McLean, Damon Princeton 7.55m 10.0

2 LJ Bell, Steven Cornell 7.50m 8.0

3 LJ Hopkins, Tom Princeton 7.43m 6.0

4 LJ Stancil, Hercules Cornell 7.42m 4.0

5 LJ Lindberg, Dana Yale 7.40m 2.0

6 LJ Blair, Montez Cornell 7.29m 1.0

7 LJ White, Jourdan Cornell 7.24m

8 LJ Rodriguez, Malcolm Harvard 7.21m

1 PV Weiler, Nico Harvard 5.50m 10.0

2 PV Roach, Peter Cornell 5.17m 8.0

3 PV Rayburn, Keith Cornell 4.95m 6.0

4 PV Pawlak, Steven Cornell 4.90m 4.0

5 PV Kim, David Cornell 4.85m 2.0

6 PV Cyphers, Josh Dartmouth 4.80m 0.5

6 PV Chandler, Paul Yale 4.80m 0.5

8 PV Igelman, Sean Brown 4.70m

8 PV Gilson, Brett Dartmouth 4.70m

8 PV Coneway, David Princeton 4.70m

8 PV Sullivan, Brendan Yale 4.70m

1 SP Mozia, Stephen Cornell 19.89m 10.0

2 SP Brode, Dustin Harvard 18.18m 8.0

3 SP Glauser, Ben Harvard 18.07m 6.0

4 SP Liokumovich, Igor Harvard 17.56m 4.0

5 SP Brenza, Jacob Penn 17.25m 2.0

6 SP Filiano, Dom Dartmouth 16.93m 1.0

7 SP Brucker, Edward Harvard 16.83m

8 SP Rushton, Scott Princeton 16.15m

1 TJ McLean, Damon Princeton 16.03m 10.0

2 TJ Scott, Dan Cornell 15.51m 8.0

3 TJ Owusu-Nyanteky, Nana Princeton 15.50m 6.0

4 TJ Bell, Steven Cornell 15.16m 4.0

5 TJ Thompson, Kenneth Brown 15.05m 2.0

6 TJ Rodriguez, Malcolm Harvard 15.03m 1.0

7 TJ Harris, Jarvis Harvard 14.80m

8 TJ Padmore, Jonathan Brown 14.76m

Thanks for your coverage, fun.!

The three relays are going to be important. I took a look at the entries (focusing on Cornell's, naturally) and noticed that--unless I missed something--their 4x8 will have three fresh legs. Makes sense to me: if you have a guy who's in good shape, but not a realistic bet to score (and the Heps 800 has six seed times under 1:50, with four under 1:49), why run him in the heats of the open event?

But every team faces the same overall limitation in squad size, so if you keep some folks fresh for relay duty, others have to carry more of the load, and Cornell certainly has guys doing that. I'd say they're going all-out.

Ditto on the women's side. Yeah, Sorna's down for an incredible triple (10,000, SC, 3,000), but K. Kellner's also down for the three longest races. I've gotta think they're hoping the meet will be in hand by the time the 3,000 comes around, so those women don't have to run a third hard race, but it may still be up in the air. (Meanwhile, their freshman Holmes will do the hept and two open events.)

No Salander for Harvard, apparently. This makes me sad to see, and obviously reduces their chances for a win; but there should still be (at least) three women's teams in it right to the end.

I may get a chance to visit Princeton for at least a part of the meet. Best of luck to all!

We're going to have fun with changing winds today at Princeton. I hope it doesn't result in the pole vault going indoors like it did 3 years ago. But damn, the temperature is perfect!

Follow the meet on twitter - look for the hashtag #oHeps for Hepstrack coverage. The League will be doing their own coverage as well with #IvyTF.

Adam Cotton (H) looked great in his 1500m trials, 3:48.56 (although he kept looking a lot in the last 20m) - makes it to finals. Peter Callahan (Pr) looked good, tried to slingshot off the last turn to speed to front but ended up 2nd 3:46.65 (2nd fastest of day).

Now, how slow will the final be tomorrow in this event?

IVY LEAGUE MEN'S ANALYSIS AFTER DAY ONE:

1) I took every athlete's PB from Indoor 2011 to Present

2) Converted mile times to 1500m time via dividing by 1.079

3) Locked in the results of HT, LJ, PV, JT, 10K

4) Reseed events based on prelim results (removing those who don't qualify and changing seeds of those who PR)

5) Did not score Relays

Projected Score (Not Counting Relays):

168.5 Princeton

166.0 Cornell

064.0 Harvard

063.0 Columbia

056.0 Brown

049.0 Dartmouth

041.5 Penn

012.0 Yale

Number of 7th/8th Seeds Remaining:

7 Harvard

5 Princeton

4 Dartmouth

4 Penn

3 Brown

2 Yale

2 Cornell

1 Columbia

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RNK EVENT ATHLETE SCHOOL MARK PTS

1 100 Reilly, Connor Dartmouth 10.46 10.0

2 100 Spooney, John Brown 10.54 7.0

2 100 Ojukwu, Kinsley Cornell 10.54 7.0

4 100 Adarquah-Yiadon, Jedidiah Cornell 10.59 4.0

5 100 Bain, Chris Cornell 10.60 2.0

6 100 Akinlawon, Fiyinfoluwa Princeton 10.65 1.0

7 100 Hill, John Princeton 10.67 0.0

8 100 Mazola, Anthony Brown 10.73 0.0

1 200 Hortelano-Roig, Bruno Cornell 20.75 10.0

2 200 Mazola, Anthony Brown 21.02 8.0

3 200 Spooney, John Brown 21.05 6.0

4 200 Hopkins, Tom Princeton 21.07 4.0

5 200 Ojukwu, Kinsley Cornell 21.13 2.0

6 200 Reilly, Connor Dartmouth 21.25 1.0

7 200 Lindberg, Dana Yale 21.59 0.0

8 200 Adarquah-Yiadon, Jedidiah Cornell 21.68 0.0

1 400 Hopkins, Tom Princeton 46.23 10.0

2 400 Hollimon, Austin Princeton 46.47 8.0

3 400 Hortelano-Roig, Bruno Cornell 47.51 6.0

4 400 Gibson, Larry Cornell 48.26 4.0

5 400 Brown, Ajani Brown 48.73 2.0

6 400 Kadich, Jared Harvard 48.85 1.0

7 400 Bishop, Jalil Dartmouth 48.90 0.0

8 400 McCord, Daniel Princeton 48.95 0.0

1 800 McFann, Harry Columbia 1:48.14 10.0

2 800 Dinkins, Russell Princeton 1:48.26 8.0

3 800 Weinlandt, Will Cornell 1:48.43 6.0

4 800 Fish, Brendon Columbia 1:48.64 4.0

5 800 Claflin, Connor Columbia 1:48.72 2.0

6 800 Paternostro, Bradley Princeton 1:49.26 1.0

7 800 Zirngibl, Lukas Dartmouth 1:50.40 0.0

8 800 Tufnell, Henry Brown 1:50.42 0.0

1 1500 Callahan, Peter Princeton 3:41.28 10.0

2 1500 Wade, Nick Cornell 3:42.43 8.0

3 1500 Feigen, Mark Columbia 3:43.11 6.0

4 1500 Berg, Erik Brown 3:44.57 4.0

5 1500 Cooper, Kevin Brown 3:44.92 2.0

6 1500 Mangan, Steve Dartmouth 3:46.88 1.0

7 1500 Cotton, Adam Harvard 3:47.28 0.0

8 1500 Talbot, Silas Dartmouth 3:47.35 0.0

1 110H Hairston, Max Cornell 14.10 10.0

2 110H Harris, Jarvis Harvard 14.13 8.0

3 110H Caldwell, Gregory Princeton 14.28 6.0

4 110H Zeller, Zach Cornell 14.37 4.0

5 110H Sheldon, Richard Princeton 14.51 2.0

6 110H Mohr, Robert Princeton 14.55 1.0

7 110H Bowers, Ben Penn 14.75 0.0

8 110H Webster, Kyle Penn 14.97 0.0

1 3KSteeple Gregorek, John Columbia 8:52.85 10.0

2 3KSteeple Owens, Eddie Princeton 8:53.55 8.0

3 3KSteeple Martin, Connor Princeton 8:57.61 6.0

4 3KSteeple Sterling, Henry Dartmouth 9:00.63 4.0

5 3KSteeple Smith, Brendan Penn 9:07.00 2.0

6 3KSteeple Bush, Jeff Brown 9:07.71 1.0

7 3KSteeple Kotran, Joe Columbia 9:07.72 0.0

8 3KSteeple Brinkofski, Teddy Cornell 9:09.38 0.0

1 400H Hollimon, Austin Princeton 50.38 10.0

2 400H Timmins, Tom Penn 52.23 8.0

3 400H Carey, Tim Penn 52.44 6.0

4 400H Anderson, Andre Cornell 52.76 4.0

5 400H Wagner, Edward Dartmouth 53.05 2.0

6 400H Hairston, Max Cornell 53.13 1.0

7 400H Rowe, William Yale 53.73 0.0

8 400H Myers, Jordan Princeton 53.91 0.0

1 5K Geoghegan, Will Dartmouth 13:55.92 10.0

2 5K Leakos, James Harvard 13:56.93 8.0

3 5K Bendtsen, Chris Princeton 13:57.46 6.0

4 5K Everett, Daniel Columbia 13:57.72 4.0

5 5K Korolev, Maksim Harvard 13:58.51 2.0

6 5K Arroyo Yamin, Alejandro Princeton 14:02.08 1.0

7 5K Awad, Thomas Penn 14:04.75 0.0

8 5K Udland, Tyler Princeton 14:05.78 0.0

1 DEC Weinstock, Evan Brown 7075 10.0

2 DEC Soerens, Stephen Princeton 6895 8.0

3 DEC Pelisek, Brad Princeton 6771 6.0

4 DEC Sheldon, Richard Princeton 6754 4.0

5 DEC Rhodes, Peter Brown 6632 2.0

6 DEC Rabbitt, Mike Cornell 6226 1.0

7 DEC Barjon, Jacques Harvard 6108 0.0

1 DT Mozia, Stephen Cornell 59.91m 10.0

2 DT Mattis, Sam Penn 57.67m 8.0

3 DT Clavette, Courtland Brown 57.04m 6.0

4 DT Levine, Michael Yale 54.30m 4.0

5 DT Liokumovich, Igor Harvard 52.87m 2.0

6 DT Brucker, Edward Harvard 51.73m 1.0

7 DT Brode, Dustin Harvard 50.26m 0.0

8 DT Brenza, Jacob Penn 48.20m 0.0

1 HJ Reynolds, Maalik Penn 2.28m 10.0

2 HJ Blair, Montez Cornell 2.27m 8.0

3 HJ Butler, Tommy Cornell 2.16m 5.0

3 HJ Afadapa, Stephen Cornell 2.16m 5.0

5 HJ Pitt, Thomas Penn 2.08m 1.5

5 HJ Jarrett, Omar Princeton 2.08m 1.5

7 HJ Birck, Jeremy Dartmouth 2.04m 0.0

7 HJ Sparks, Jonathan Harvard 2.04m 0.0

7 HJ Garin, Fedor Harvard 2.04m 0.0

1 SP Mozia, Stephen Cornell 19.89m 10.0

2 SP Brode, Dustin Harvard 18.18m 8.0

3 SP Glauser, Ben Harvard 18.07m 6.0

4 SP Liokumovich, Igor Harvard 17.56m 4.0

5 SP Brenza, Jacob Penn 17.25m 2.0

6 SP Filiano, Dom Dartmouth 16.93m 1.0

7 SP Brucker, Edward Harvard 16.83m 0.0

8 SP Rushton, Scott Princeton 16.15m 0.0

1 TJ McLean, Damon Princeton 16.03m 10.0

2 TJ Scott, Dan Cornell 15.51m 8.0

3 TJ Owusu-Nyanteky, Nana Princeton 15.50m 6.0

4 TJ Bell, Steven Cornell 15.16m 4.0

5 TJ Thompson, Kenneth Brown 15.05m 2.0

6 TJ Rodriguez, Malcolm Harvard 15.03m 1.0

7 TJ Harris, Jarvis Harvard 14.80m 0.0

8 TJ Padmore, Jonathan Brown 14.76m 0.0

Here is a link to videos from todays races. They will be updated as the night goes on. Videos from the finals tomorrow will be added immediately after they finish, so look for the finals videos to be online between 30-60 minutes after the actual conclusion of the race.

hahaha long day filming, forgot to put in the link.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ivyleaguesports?feature=mhum

Enjoy

ivyfan wrote:

hahaha long day filming, forgot to put in the link.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ivyleaguesports?feature=mhum

Enjoy

Been retweeting those as I see them on my twitter feed.

Leakos won't be able to run in the 5k because he didn't complete the 10k.

Yeah, Saretsky was so pissed last night when Leakoes quit with less than 5 laps to go. The coach apparently kicked a chair into the bushes.

But then again, Harvard isn't having the weekend they wanted. Their LJ/TJ missed his LJ flight and now cannot compete in the TJ (it was due to a coaching error - apparently the coach forgot to tell the kid there was a change in his flight time).

All credit to the Princeton men. Cornell didn't have a *bad* Heps; Princeton had a great one. Well done, Tigers. (Meanwhile, in the open 100 the Cornell men lost Bain and Ojukwu, who's ordinarily one of the legs on both their sprint relays.) Princeton just scored huge points in the 5,000/10,000.

Also, though Abbey (rightly) was named Track Athlete of the Meet, I was impressed--maybe thunderstruck--by Sorna's triple: first (SC), second (3,000) and third (10,000, in her debut in the event). I honestly had not imagined she could beat Neer in Sorna's third event of the meet (Neer's second). I think the Cornell women scored no fewer than ten points in any of the four longest races, and they had 20+ in two of them. That's basically the meet right there.

No real dog in the fight, but aren't these conference championships meant to pit equally competitive teams against one another? It's the same thing year after year after year with Princeton and Cornell. Isn't SOMEONE concerned that none of the other kids on the block get a chance to even play the game of winning in the sport of track & field? Boring if you ask me.

Also no dog in the fight (in fact I run in a completely different conference), but to answer your question - no.

Broken record wrote:

No real dog in the fight, but aren't these conference championships meant to pit equally competitive teams against one another? It's the same thing year after year after year with Princeton and Cornell. Isn't SOMEONE concerned that none of the other kids on the block get a chance to even play the game of winning in the sport of track & field? Boring if you ask me.

Not sure that this answers your question, but I was told that only three teams (of the sixteen at Heps) even entered the max-allowed 36 athletes.

Whether this is a matter of economics (travel/food/lodging), or Ivy colleges' limiting the size of teams, or something else entirely, I don't know. But it certainly seems strange to me that a Harvard, for instance--which certainly seems to have well-supported teams, and is not a small college--couldn't field a full squad.

It's tough to cover all the events *well* even with 36 people--the Cornell teams and Princeton men, who I believe were the complete squads, certainly showed some noticeable holes in their lineups--so if you won't even fill all the slots that are allowed, how likely is it that you can challenge for a men's win?

[I say "men's" because, of course, the Harvard women won indoors this year and the Columbia women did it in 2012.]

As much as anything, I think the Cornell and Princeton men's coaches have a genuine grasp--not just intellectual knowledge but a real gut feel--that every event in the meet offers the same number of points, so they mostly try to get contenders in every event. Come on, only eight guys in the javelin--half of them from Dartmouth?