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BRF
HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/17/2012 6:20PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Whaddaya mean, too early for this thread? It had to start sometime, and the first indoor meet (at least for Cornell) is just two weeks from today!

Others follow the Ivy League more closely than I, and I'd be interested to get your thoughts on the coming t&f season(s). The Columbia women had an inspiring win indoors* last year--it was hard to begrudge them--with excellent coverage of the events, but did not contend outdoors and are coming off a disappointing cross-country season. They recruited very well in a number of events and should again be major players in the Heps, esp. indoors.

The Cornell women, ECAC champs indoors and Heps winners outdoors, also recruited well. Several of their frosh saw major competition during cross; on the other hand, many of the middle-distance group apparently did not race at all in the fall, and it will be interesting to see whether they compete in the team's season-opening relay meet.

The Cornell men brought in major recruits to plug anticipated graduation holes in their hurdles and multi crews--particularly the former--but some frosh take a while to handle the extra three inches in the highs. The Big Red added several real threats in the throws--inconsistency in those events may have cost them the Heps outdoor meet--but the real question for them remains the distance events. Coming off an improved xc season, the Big Red have to hope that the competitiveness they showed there will carry over to the longer track events.

But even with improvement in many/most event areas, can the Cornell men come up with enough points to beat Princeton? Cornell has the larger roster, but the squad size is the same for everybody at Heps; and the Tigers, coming off perhaps their best cross season ever, return tremendous firepower in nearly every event, even without McCullough. (If he's gone for good, that's a real loss to the League--what a pleasure, to watch him throw!) The Tigers may retain their titles without even having to hope for cooperation from the Harvard throwers.

My real interest, as usual, is in change; and you all know more about that. What teams do you see as likely to move up in Heps standings this year? It's not hard to guess Harvard, as usual, based on the talent they bring; but what other teams seem ready to make a move?


*Strangely, the women's indoor results from last year don't seem to be listed in the HTC archives--not sure why.
C/M Runner
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/18/2012 4:16PM - in reply to BRF Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I believe McCullough is gone for good now, so the weight title is really up for grabs... But then again, it could just be Glauser and Mozia in both the weight and shot unless someone else comes into the equation.

As for the results from last year, could be because Brett hasn't had the time to list them yet?

Hmm... I think links to the indoor rosters should be pulled together... I could try to work on that tomorrow unless someone else has the time to do it tonight.
C/M Runner
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/19/2012 7:28AM - in reply to C/M Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Part 1 as the forum does not like too many links in one post (some comments but I don't have time to analyze everything so other analysis is more than welcome!):

Brown roster (men): http://brownbears.com/sports/m-track/2012-13/roster
Brown roster (women): http://brownbears.com/sports/w-track/2012-13/roster

Columbia release (men): http://www.gocolumbialions.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=48365&SPID=4657&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205626986&DB_OEM_ID=9600
Columbia release (women): http://www.gocolumbialions.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=48365&SPID=4657&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205612725&DB_OEM_ID=9600
FYI: Sharay Hale is listed as returning, hope she is healthy! Now with Cornell's Hewitt and Princeton's Moran gone due to graduation, who will her competition be? Her teammate Marvellous? I'm very curious to see the December meet results.

Cornell roster (men): http://www.cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?path=mtrack&
Cornell roster (women): http://www.cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?path=wtrack&
FYI: Cornell recruited a lot of women multis who have fast hurdle times, but I was surprised to not see that many declared "sprinters" in the new class. But Cornell got the #2 and #3 HS indoor pentathlon athletes from last year on their squad now.
C/M Runner
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/19/2012 7:45AM - in reply to C/M Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Part 2 as the forum does not like too many links in one post (some comments but I don't have time to analyze everything so other analysis is more than welcome!):

Dartmouth roster (men) - no details on frosh yet: http://www.dartmouthsports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=11600&SPID=4706&SPSID=48807&KEY=
Dartmouth roster (women) - some frosh details: http://www.dartmouthsports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=11600&SPID=4701&SPSID=48782&KEY=

Harvard release (men and women): http://gocrimson.com/sports/track/2012-13/releases/TFMW121023FreshmanClass
FYI: women got a speed frosh who has the 10th fastest HS indoor 200m time (24.37) and a faster PR

Penn roster (men) - some details on frosh: http://www.pennathletics.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=1700&SPID=542&SPSID=8699
Penn roster (women) - little details on frosh: http://www.pennathletics.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=1700&SPID=558&SPSID=10758
FYI: Got Sam Mattis (2-time HS discus national champion) who should make the outdoor discus very interesting

Princeton release (men): http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=46878&SPID=4268&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=10600&ATCLID=205564204
Princeton release (women):
http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=46923&SPID=4279&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205568959&DB_OEM_ID=10600
FYI: Men got a frosh high jumper (Jake Scinto) who is teasing the 7-0 barrier and is very talented in the both the long/triple jumps and 100m. Women have a speedy Irish hurdler (Sarah Lavin) whose bests (8.42/13.73) are among the top 3 in Ivy history. The entire sprinting new class looks very impressive on paper.

Yale release (men) - could not see times listed: http://yalebulldogs.com/sports/m-track/2012-13/releases/20120911v2oxn3
Yale release (women): http://yalebulldogs.com/sports/w-track/2012-13/releases/201209193zilb1
C/M Runner
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/19/2012 10:33AM - in reply to BRF Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

BRF wrote:

*Strangely, the women's indoor results from last year don't seem to be listed in the HTC archives--not sure why.


They are available now:

http://hepstrack.com/championships/indoor-heps/womens-indoor-heps-team-scores/the-2010s/2012-2/

Ok, enough spamming on my end.
kibitzer
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/19/2012 10:59PM - in reply to BRF Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Much to ponder. Thanks, C/M.
fun.
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/19/2012 11:43PM - in reply to kibitzer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Princeton's National Caliber Events: 4x4, DMR, 400, 800, Mile, 5K

4x4
46.23 JR Hopkins
46.47 SR Hollimon
46.95 SR Dinkins
49.28 FR Johnson (would have to have a great freshman year)

DMR
1:49.53/3:44.97 JR Williams
0:46.23 JR Hopkins
1:48.26 SR Dinkins
3:58.76 SR Callahan

5K
13:57.51 JR Bendtsen

Triple Jump
16.03m JR McLean
ivyguy
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/20/2012 6:40AM - in reply to fun. Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I don't see how you could bet against Princeton men to repeat: following another dominating Heps win in xc, they enter the tf season with strong--often the top--talents in most of the events. They lose something in the throws, maybe, but those events' points will be split by multiple teams.

Cornell women might be a slight preseason favorite for the Heps titles, but the increasing parity of recent years should continue: Columbia and Princeton will be serious threats, and Harvard should be on everyone's radar. In fact I think that H will be top-three at worst.
C/M Runner
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/20/2012 7:53AM - in reply to ivyguy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Some other others after I looked through the listings some more (sorry if there are some repeats):

- Return of Sharay Hale! With the graduations of former sprinting champions Melissa Hewitt and Eileen Moran, Hale is expected to dominate this season in the 200/400. Question is, who can keep up with her? The most likely names are her teammates Marvellous Iheukwumere and Miata Morlu, who are the defending champions in the 200m and 400m respectively. Other names to keep in mind are Cornellís Ebolutalese Airewele (200m Ė 24.29), Pennís Princess Lydia Ali, and Harvard frosh Christi Scott (200 PR Ė 24.22)

- Top multi-eventers from USA, Sweden are coming into the Ivies. Cornellís roster lists the #2 and #3 HS pentathletes from 2011, Stephanie Izard and Hillary Holmes; meanwhile, Harvard boasts of the Swedish Junior National Indoor Pentathlon Champion (Martina Salander). It should be noted that these ladies are also very fast in the hurdles and sprints, so it is quite possible they will cross over in order to score more team points come Heps.

- Austin Hollimon is not on the Princeton roster (but people say that he will be eligible once the new semester begins and will likely do the 400/400H double). Neither is Conor McCullough but he is not expected back.

- Princeton frosh chasing Olympianís record? Sarah Lavin is coming to the Ivies with a 60m hurdle best of 8.42 (which is an Irish National Junior Record), which would place her #2 all-time if she replicates that time this season. The current conference record is former-Crimson Olympian Brenda Taylor (8.33). Looks like Pennís Gabrielle Piper has a new racing partner!

- Penn frosh Sam Mattis is a two-time high school national champion in the discus throw, but will he contend the shot put indoors? He has thrown it in the past, but it will be a challenge to score against the strong throwing corps from Cornell (Mozia, frosh Praduman Singh and Bryan Rhodes) and Harvard (Glauser, Brode, Liokumovich).

- Bruno is back! As long as everyone is healthy, expect an intense sprint final between Cornell's Bruno and Brown's John Spooney.

- Frosh could fill in the spot vacant by McCullough? Cornell got high school All-American Bryan Rhodes who has thrown 70-3 in the 25-lb weight (no evidence of him ever throwing the 35-lb implement though, so who knows on this adjustment will go). Cornell will also be training Praduman Singh the weight.

- Yale got a 16-ft Pole Vaulting frosh Ė Brendan Sullivan. He could definitely make a scoring impact for Yale since Princeton's Slovenski and Hynes (both jumped over 16 ft) have graduated. Harvard's Weiler still has one more year while Cornell's Roach has two.

Feel free to add on or let me know if I am making a big thing over nothing.
shazzuy
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 12/3/2012 6:31PM - in reply to C/M Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Hmmmhmmhmhmhmhmmmmm... So we meet again.

McCullough definitely, 100% out (may not even continue to compete in the NCAA), and Princeton had 0 incoming throwers, so that sucks for them. Cornell lost Belden, but he had a very disappointing senior year with the exception of weight. I will do a more in-depth preview of the throws sometime soon.

VERY excited at some of the incoming frosh for the throws, should be a great year!!
kibitzer
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/21/2012 6:47AM - in reply to shazzuy Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Thanks, Shazzuy and C/M--good input from you both!

Interesting that Harvard brought in yet another top Euro athlete (Salander). Of course, the Cantabs have had internationals for many years: H has great name recognition overseas. I certainly think the other Ivies will follow suit increasingly. Cornell has had many Canadian athletes in the past; will be interesting to see how their Welsh runner, J. Williams--who was second at 800 indoors, but missed the final outdoors--will do after taking it easy (or injured?) during cross country.

[I love how the Cornell roster simply lists her hometown as "Wales"--roughly equivalent to saying that an athlete is from Massachusetts, with no town listed.]

The multis were about the only hole in the Cornell women's roster, though they did graduate some hurdle points this year--looks like they shored up those event areas with their recruiting. But so much talent has come into the League that I really can't see the Big Red as a lock for the track titles.

And Shazzuy, you gave great input last year--happy to see it again! The Heps schools continue a fine tradition in the middle distances, but the throws really seem to be the League's current growth area--lotta points being contested out in the fields (and there are lotsa smart high school kids in those events--Ivy recruiters seem to be catching on).
BRF
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/27/2012 1:04PM - in reply to kibitzer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I see that half the Ivies are opening the indoor season this weekend. HYP, it seems, will open the following weekend; Columbia's schedule doesn't list anything before January, though I believe they have had a serious December intrasquad meet at the Armory in years past.

Personally, I'd think it'd be hard to motivate t&f folks for the whole fall semester if there wasn't some kind of "real" competition at the end of it. As a coach I actually tried to get them *two* fall-semester competitions, even if one had to be an intrasquad; having just one meet meant--for anyone whose meet didn't go well--several weeks of "stewing" before competition resumed in later Jan--not a great motivational situation.
C/M Runner
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/27/2012 1:33PM - in reply to BRF Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I think it would be hard to motivate the distance crew as they had the whole XC season, but the sprinters/hurdlers/jumpers/throwers are probably chomping at the bit to do some kind of racing. I know I was at this time when I was back in school. But with the final exams/papers now, perhaps the competition shouldn't be focus for December.

Oh well. Let's just see if anyone decides to break a conference record, like Slovenski did in the pole vault last year.
BRF
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/28/2012 7:18AM - in reply to C/M Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

C/M Runner wrote:
Oh well. Let's just see if anyone decides to break a conference record, like Slovenski did in the pole vault last year.

Oof. A tall order--I'm having trouble thinking of a record that's particularly vulnerable (though I would have had the same trouble last year).

We can pretty well count out any longer race--the Ivies mostly (all?) seem to adhere to the "if you compete in November, you won't in December" rule--so we're talking the explosive events. One of the throws, *maybe*? I'm fairly sure the men's weight record is safe...
BRF
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/29/2012 8:37PM - in reply to BRF Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Entries for Cornell's meet are up: http://cornellbigred.com/documents/2012/11/29/2012_Cornell_Relays_Entries.pdf?id=5067

I've only looked at their entries for the first few events, but I see that they have a couple entrants who don't appear on their posted rosters, including Phelan McCormack, who--if it's the same guy--was a strong 800m runner at Don Bosco Prep. (I think he was at Providence last year.) Well, I suppose Cornell needed more 800m talent ;-) (though if they truly have two 4x8 squads, minus Nick Wade, run in the mid-7:40s for their season opener on the Barton Hall track, I'll be deeply impressed).
C/M Runner
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/30/2012 8:44AM - in reply to BRF Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Compiled indoor schedule for the whole league:
http://hepstrack.com/blog/2012/11/28/going-indoors/

Huh, so the Cornell roster is already out of date? Interesting...
C/M Runner
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/30/2012 1:50PM - in reply to C/M Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Aha:
The Cornell T&F roster does not include some their cross country folks, as Phelan McCormack is listed on the XC roster but not on the TF roster.

http://www.cornellbigred.com/roster.aspx?path=&rp_id=33395
BRF
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 11/30/2012 9:54PM - in reply to BRF Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Okay, I took a look at the rest of Cornell's entries in its meet this weekend. No sign of J. Williams, and their women's representation in the throws will be very sparse--hope all is well there.

For the men, Bruno H-R is entered in the 4x400. I did not expect that--should be interesting for all! I also notice that the Big Red will have a few people in the distances. This makes sense to me: if you've only run a couple xc races in Sept/Oct, it's not like a "short" race or two in December is likely to hurt you for the spring-semester track championships...
BRF
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 12/1/2012 9:58PM - in reply to BRF Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Cornell Relays results are up: http://www.tfrrs.org/results/26704.html

The usual: some good, some bad, and some end-of-semester nonparticipants. For the Cornell men, most of the top marks were in the field: Mozia throwing 57+ in the WT (with teammates at 56+ and 54+) and 59 in the SP; Bell and Stancil close to 24ft in the LJ; Blair over 2.19 in HJ, with freshman Afadapa also over 7ft (2.14). BH-R broke 34 for 300m on Cornell's flat track.

For the women, frosh Hillary Holmes was credited with a 3605 pentathlon, while sister pentathlete was close to 19ft in the LJ; Dishong jumped 3.90 in the PV; etc.
BRF
RE: HEPS Track and Field 2012-13 12/2/2012 11:51AM - in reply to BRF Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The results of Brown's Alden Inv are up: http://www.brownbears.com/sports/w-track/2012-13/files/Brown_Alden_Dec01_2012_Results.htm

Most striking were, on the women's side, solid performances in the throwing events and four sprinters under eight seconds in the 60m.


And Dartmouth opened at Northeastern's Carisella meet: http://gonu.com/documents/2012/12/1/Jay_Carisella_Results_12-1-12.htm?id=1154

Notable for the Big Green: once again, strong marks in the women's throws. What's going on in those events this year?
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