Cam Levins just ran a 190 mile week

HRE wrote:

You keep bringing up other guys who have run faster than Levins has on fewer training miles. Why? It's been established that when LEVINS was running fewer miles than now he was racing slower than he is now.

because other people keep saying average training = average times and won't hear anything else.

We were only talking about Levins here. Of course some have done well on < 70 mpw, but that obviously wouldn't have worked for Levins.

You have to do the work. And this guy has. I noticed him in the Olympic 10000m final. He looks like a good year away from being one of the best in the world. 190 mpw won't hurt his endurance and he has 1:48 800 speed.

muscle imbalance wrote:

because other people keep saying average training = average times and won't hear anything else.

No one has said that. Quit trolling.

Ho Hum wrote:

No one has said that. Quit trolling.

idiot

have you even bothered to read the thread?

obviously not

moron

UPDATE:

@CamLevins

Just finished up my biggest day ever of 38 miles! Over 60 kilometers for my fellow Canadians! #newrecord #gettingstrong

https://twitter.com/CamLevins/status/269992094536441856

‏@CamLevins

It was over three [referring to the number of runs he did]; today it was one 20 mile long run and a couple shorter ones.

@CamLevins

At the moment, predominantly the latter [referring to the pace his training runs are, 7-7:30 min/mile] for most mileage. However, don't get the wrong idea because that will change.

Foreigner Cam Levins gets far more love and interest of LetsKKK.com than does American Girma Mecheso.

Gee. I wonder why that is?

7:30/mile??? He does his running incredibly slow (right now). This seems to be from another era. I would bet that 90% of the guys on LR, run their miles at a faster pace than that.

this is my 1st post on the topic

the key here is his speed

looking at this :

http://www.directathletics.com/athletes/track/129446.html

he has excellent ( surprisingly good ) at 1'50i ( 1'51 outdoors )

it's reasonable to have offered him 1'50.0 at his peak this year

various lines of fit for him using 1'50.0

52.0 -> 3'36.5 , 7'35.5 , 13'06.7 , 27'28.3

( he's already run quicker over 10k, so that indicates he was at worst 13'06 this year )

52.1 -> 3'36.2 , 7'34.0 , 13'03.4 , 27'19.2

( this is more like it as his 27'27pb musta been nearer 27'20 at even pace/peak shape )

52.2 -> 3'35.8 , 7'32.6 , 13'00.1 , 27'10.1

( this last line might be a touch quick but it's not impossible that lining up at games he wouda been peak career shape ( so far ) & well below 27'20

that woud mean he was capable of 13-flat already this year & if he gets stronger & doesn't lose much speed, then he coud really blast thru 13'00 next year )

as i said his speed is his key weapon

the usual rule of thumb is

"10k = 2*5k + 1'00"

but this usually applies to africans who have more endurance & less speed than westerners ( latter are usually stronger with better physiques thru better nutrition offering better speed )

the great tergat ( probably toughest guy ever to step onto a track ) ran 26'27wr ( couda been quicker as some serious -ve splits ) & i reckon he only had 1'53 speed at the time

cam's theoretical 13'00/27'10 fits in with better speed/worse endurance than africans ( as expected )

his best distance currently is 5k & he shoud train for it

to this end, 190 miles/week looks stoopid - it's going to blunt his speed for little more endurance gain

he needs to train to get that 1'50 down to ~ 1'48 ( maintaining bulk of endurance ) rather than high mileage drifting him out out to ~ 1'52 ( with more endurance ) which will likely have littele overall effect on his 5k

if he trains sensibly & because of his youth, his speed can improve whilst retaining most of his endurance, i can definitely see him getting close to 12'50 in next coupla years

what woud he prefer ?

12'50 - 12'55 / 27'00 - 27'10

or

12'55 - 13'00 / 26'50 - 27'00 ?

I can assure you Cam can run at least a sub 50 400m. you need to re evaluate your line of fit

you better find some rock-solid evidence for thatif that is true, he'd be close to hicham in basic speed & with low-27 endurance shoud be running 3'27/3'28http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=1373258&thread=1373258

Hicham said 49-50 seconds for 400m and 1:45 for 800m. I then asked his coach the same questions-he said he has run 48 for 400m and 1:44 high for 800m in training

offer cam 27'10 in a perfect race currently ( i doubt anyone woud argue )

with various 400 speeds

50.00 -> 1'46.6 , 3'31.0 , 4'48.0 , 7'26.4 , 12'54.1

49.75 -> 1'46.2 , 3'30.4 , 4'47.4 , 7'25.7 , 12'53.5

49.50 -> 1'45.8 , 3'29.8 , 4'46.8 , 7'25.0 , 12'52.8

49.25 -> 1'45.4 , 3'29.3 , 4'46.2 , 7'24.3 , 12'52.1

49.00 -> 1'45.0 , 3'28.7 , 4'45.5 , 7'23.6 , 12'51.4

48.75 -> 1'44.6 , 3'28.2 , 4'44.9 , 7'22.9 , 12'50.8

48.50 -> 1'44.2 , 3'27.6 , 4'44.3 , 7'22.2 , 12'50.1

48.25 -> 1'43.8 , 3'27.1 , 4'43.7 , 7'21.5 , 12'49.4

48.00 -> 1'43.5 , 3'26.5 , 4'43.0 , 7'20.8 , 12'48.7

( the last line is ~ hicham as i also reckon he had theoretical low-27 endurance in his prime )

i can't see cam anywhere close to 50s speed...

Cam split 49 indoor on a 4x4 his junior year the same day he broke 4 at UW.

ventolin^3 wrote:

you better find some rock-solid evidence for that

if that is true, he'd be close to hicham in basic speed & with low-27 endurance shoud be running

Because of foot speed velocity? Why are you trying to make a correlation that isn't there between distance times and basic speed? Also, 400m isn't a measure of basic speed. I know you feel passionately about hating Cam Levins, but when it comes to the interwebs you need to stop doing stuff.

muscle imbalance wrote:

HRE wrote:

You keep bringing up other guys who have run faster than Levins has on fewer training miles. Why? It's been established that when LEVINS was running fewer miles than now he was racing slower than he is now.

because other people keep saying average training = average times and won't hear anything else.

?????

You are the one that won't hear anything else. Just because Rupp, Lagat, Webb ran well on lesser running doesn't mean Cam runs well on lesser running. Why do you insist that everyone should train in the same manner?

Cam has obviously found a training method that works for HIM. It is proven to be working. It doesn't matter if anyone else has run faster on less miles.

muscle imbalance wrote:

Canada Coach wrote:

Great, you gave the one and only example possible, but I was talking about the other 99.99%

Sydney Maree, Bob Kennedy, Bernard Lagat, Alan Webb, Dathan Ritzenhein

No more than 110 per week average to run a PR faster than Cam has for any of the above

please just fade away now, you're annoying

In this group, only Lagat, is arguably faster than Levins at 10,000m. Remember, 27:26 in his first 10,000 ever (at 22 yrs of age).

He ran 1:49 in Victoria Canada in the summer of 2010

Read wrote:Cam split 49 indoor on a 4x4 his junior year the same day he broke 4 at UW.

i'm afraid a vague 49 in a low key meet doesn't do it

without video/detailed commentary we have no idea whether he got the baton near 5m after the finish line & handed over near 5m before the next finish line

without video/commentary for all we know he may have run nearer 390m for his leg ( & that's a flying leg as the previous link says he was 2nd leg )