The Successful Sabotage of Ben Johnson's Beer

It is easy to prove the conspiracy wrong since sprinters drink white wine instead of beer.

Mainiac wrote:

It is easy to prove the conspiracy wrong since sprinters drink white wine instead of beer.

Ok, cased closed then I suppose. Honestly though, I saw this documentary last week and still can't believe how arrogant and immature Carl Lewis still is. It brings up serious questions about his character. Joe Douglas and Carl's reaction to Ben's accusation with their arrogant giggling denials, come across as two guilty men who got away with a crime. It basically translates to "Ha Ha we got away with it!" Ben Johnson on the other hand has grown up and owned his mistakes.

Andre Jackson wrote:

Ben Johnson on the other hand has grown up and owned his mistakes.

^this He's guilty as hell, but my view of him has somewhat changed after this video.

Carl Lewis = Greg Lemond

seriously... wrote:

Carl Lewis = Greg Lemond

Never heard Lemond and his team of spiking a rival bikers beer with steroids. This is one of the worst things I've heard an athlete to do another competitor. Jackson's "Maybe I did, maybe I didn't" screams for USADA to start an investigation of Carl Lewis, Joe Douglas, and the Santa Monica Track Club.

canadian's drink beer

Andre Jackson wrote:

Jackson's "Maybe I did, maybe I didn't" screams for USADA to start an investigation of Carl Lewis, Joe Douglas, and the Santa Monica Track Club.

Statute of limitations.

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Why in the world would Ben Johnson accept a beer from a rival competitor right before drug testing? If he had waited an extra 5 minutes before he began celebrating, and poured his own drink, he would have gotten away with the gold. And I agree with the other posters in that Carl Lewis comes off as a jerk who was cheating along with everyone else. I've lost a lot of respect for Carl Lewis.

Consensual doping is only a criminal act if supplying. However I am sure that poisoning and conspiracy to poison is a serious criminal felony. It should be investigated by the police even if there is insufficient evidence to sustain a conviction, as a message must be sent that spiking with hazardous substances equals jail time as it would with any poison or date rape drug. How do we know that others are not doing it again?

Ben and Charlie delusional, lying windbags, not to mention wierdos. I don't believe that shit for a second.

asdfghjkl wrote:

Ben and Charlie delusional, lying windbags, not to mention wierdos. I don't believe that shit for a second.

Yep.

Carl tested positive for common stimulants that shouldn't even be on the banned substance list. 25 years later, his whole life still revolves around 9.79. and he's legitimately dumb enough to think he was faster than Usain Bolt and that if only he ran on today's track surfaces, he'd run 9.3.

asdfghjkl wrote:

Carl tested positive for common stimulants that shouldn't even be on the banned substance list. 25 years later, his whole life still revolves around 9.79. and he's legitimately dumb enough to think he was faster than Usain Bolt and that if only he ran on today's track surfaces, he'd run 9.3.

Track surfaces do matter. Go an run on cinders.

9.3 is whack though.

I watched the show on Youtube. Although at certain points it seemed to be building to something dramatic regarding sabotage, I thought the program actually wound up making a strong case that Johnson got busted because his steroid doctor, Astaphan, injected him too close to the games.

It is undisputed that stanozolol was the drug that Astaphan was giving to Johnson, although he used a phony name for it. The Lewis camp would have no way of knowing that. Charlie Francis himself probably didn't know specifically what Johnson was getting from Astaphan.

Given that background, it stretches credulity beyond the breaking point that Andre Jackson would just happen to choose to bring a stanozolol tablet to the testing room and be able to sabotage Johnson's drink.

If this accusation is true, WOW. Having said that, there was a post on many threads where the guy was stating something about how well in advance the first non American in the Seoul Olympics would test positive. There was definitely a conspiracy involving the 1988 Olympics, that is for sure. MUCH Worse than what I think is going on right now with Gay/Powell (that's if it is a conspiracy, I believe it is but there is only one strong hint and zero evidence)

The sabotage accusation was revealed 25 years ago.

And it was laid out in detail shortly after that in Francis' book.

The video made it seem more likely to be true.

Speed Trap said that Johnson was not using Stanazolol.

Though Johnson did disappear from Francis' coaching for a short time before the Olympics. He may have gotten something different that showed up.

I do think that sabotage by Andre Jackson is a possibility.

They were careful about their cycles and things should have cleared in time for the Olympics.

Unfortunately, people on this site are anxious to find runners guilty even with no evidence that they dope.

There is no way some of these losers would give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

I had a world class runner a few years ago tell me that they were afraid of drinks being spiked and of being sabotaged in some way.

They have to watch everything that goes into their mouth- so many things can have a banned substance.

Track has to ease up a bit- stimulants shouldn't be banned.

True anabolic steroids, HGH, EOP, etc should be banned and the penalties should be harsh.

Taking Sudafed shouldn't get you banned.

Ben and coach came out and said he was on PEDs. His other athletes came out and said they doped as well, and they did it in great detail. I did not understand the beer spike defense, if they came out as dopers after.....makes no sense.