Christian Hesch doping article in the NY Times/Competitor.com

nice, Pete. good post.

I'd only suggest you switch from Nikes because clearly from l'affaire Armstrong, they don't mind doping too much.

Adam R. wrote:

The Japanese wrote:

I was thinking about the Japanese athletes, too. Sure, There had been some Japanese athletes caught doping.

Who? Can you provide a link to back that up? I've never heard of a single Japanese runner being caught doping, ever.

I just Googled "Japanese" and "doping" and found a site supposedly run by a Japanese doc who counsels athletes on doping and its effects. It says: "Many athletes and exercise enthusiasts abuse drugs in Japan also. Takahashi reported two cases of doping by Japanese athletes and has consulted with AAS [anabolic-androgenic steroid] abusers among Japanese athletes."

I'll try searching in Japanese when I have a chance. Brett Larner, the fellow who writes the Japan Running News blog, probably knows a lot about doping by Japanese athletes.

So Cal Pete wrote:

... I'm so depressed about the drug situation in our sport that some days I think I should just toss out the Nikes.

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Or we throw out our Nikes.

Today, I'm gonna keep the Nikes.

If you don't like drugs in sports, you should definitely throw out the Nikes. If you are keeping up with the Armstrong case, you are going to have a hard time wearing them when all is settled.

But, keep training and racing.

Wejo, there's a lot of baloney posted on here so I want to be up front with you and say that I am not joking in any way here: you calling yourself a journalist is an absolute embarrassment to everyone who has ever had a job in the field. It genuinely angers me that you put yourself in the same ballpark as journalists, and it greatly cheapens the term for me. The trash you spew on your "editorial page" wouldn't pass for journalism in North Korea, much less these United States. There are plenty of over-opinionated people on the internet, and most of them are sufficiently self-aware to realize that they don't offer an objective stance on their chosen topic of discussion. Please, join their ranks.

Wejo, there's a lot of baloney posted on here so I want to be up front with you and say that I am not joking in any way here: you calling yourself a journalist is an absolute embarrassment to everyone who has ever had a job in the field. It genuinely angers me that you put yourself in the same ballpark as journalists, and it greatly cheapens the term for me. The trash you spew on your "editorial page" wouldn't pass for journalism in North Korea, much less these United States. There are plenty of over-opinionated people on the internet, and most of them are sufficiently self-aware to realize that they don't offer an objective stance on their chosen topic of discussion. Please, join their ranks.

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Pics?

Seriously man - lighten up. or cite specifics. This sort of thing reads as unhinged.

absolute embarassment everyone. genuinely. same ballpark. greatly. trash. spew. North Korea.

Come on. You are over reacting by half.

The Rupp interview post record? Not the most tactful way to do an interview, but the guy is a 25 year old pro athlete. I think he can take care of himself. The Abdi thing? the Jo in question told Abdi beforehand he would ask about fagan. Anyway, Abdi is a 3x year old pro athlete - he can take an awkward question.

Look, the brojos are not going for pulitzers here. They have a website that gives running addicts their juice. the tone is aggressive but fun. You want sober journalism go somewhere else.

agip wrote:

You want sober journalism go somewhere else.

Then maybe there should be different press credentials for the drunk journalists.

I agree with the other guy. Wejo shouldn't pretend he's a journalist. I'd wager he's never taken a J class in his life. Yes, I know that many real working journalists don't have J degrees either, but the *jos could really use the help.

You are a complete and utter toolbag. Do you even have a brain? Just do us a favor and castrate yourself, we don't need you repopulating this earth with your idiocy.

Just because someone does or doesn't run money races does not mean they are more suspect of being a drug cheat.

Most races with money have been certified, and have the most competitive fields allowing runners to go head to head with others.

Also many of the money races have a drug testing system in place.

From that athlinks list: Say No To Drugs 10th Annual 2010 - Run 5K CA 12/5/10 1/0 2/0 2/1587 5:02 15:40

gregmacd wrote:

watch out for dark alleys wrote:

Frigging drug cheat. If you mean your apology, pay back all the prize money you cheated for. Here's a list to get you started:

http://athlinks.com/racer/results/58113438

Please don't call yourself a journalist either RittMomney. Even the dumbest journalist know the word Internet is capitalized.

false wrote:

Just because someone does or doesn't run money races does not mean they are more suspect of being a drug cheat.

Most races with money have been certified, and have the most competitive fields allowing runners to go head to head with others.

Also many of the money races have a drug testing system in place.

hmmm, not true in my experiences. having run many of the money races, there may be the threat of drug testing, but i've never been tested at a road race (or seen others tested), including some that were national championship races. i have been tested at national track championship races, but never on the roads. maybe others can speak to their experiences...

The threat is good start, and the testing is carried out on many occasion. I have seen many people at road races drug tested

Twin Cites Marathon

From T&FN:

Sunday Times to pursue "fraud" case against Armstrong

http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/summer/cycling/1011303-sunday-times-to-pursue-fraud-case-against-lance-armstrong

I'm not in socal cush's league, but I've won about 3K this year on the roads and never been tested. I have had to sign affadavits swearing I wasn't using PEDs.

I think races that give money (not sure about the threshhold? $500? $1,000?) should do testing.

Minnie wrote:

I'm not in socal cush's league, but I've won about 3K this year on the roads and never been tested. I have had to sign affadavits swearing I wasn't using PEDs.

I think races that give money (not sure about the threshhold? $500? $1,000?) should do testing.

It would be ideal to have testing at any race with prize money, but if it's required, I think you'll see races in that range just drop the prize money rather than pay additional money for testing.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Minnie wrote:

I'm not in socal cush's league, but I've won about 3K this year on the roads and never been tested. I have had to sign affadavits swearing I wasn't using PEDs.

I think races that give money (not sure about the threshhold? $500? $1,000?) should do testing.

It would be ideal to have testing at any race with prize money, but if it's required, I think you'll see races in that range just drop the prize money rather than pay additional money for testing.

Not to mention testing AT races doesn't even solve the problem - I have no problem believing Hesch was not technically "on" EPO when he raced, but he sure as hell was still reaping the benefits of using it. Testing at races will not catch someone who dopes, cycles off of the drugs before the race, and shows up on the starting line "clean".

Not trying to defend drug cheats by any means, but given that cancer and heart disease are the #2 and #1 causes of death in the USA, isn't it a bit of a stretch to offer them as evidence of past doping?

Looks like the Competitor Group is stripping CH of his titles and paying the extra money to those who finished behind him:

http://news.runnersworld.com/2012/10/16/doper-hesch-stripped-of-half-marathon-title/

"The Rock 'n' Roll Marathon Series is sanctioned by USA Track & Field and operates under the jurisdiction of the USADA and will cooperate with any penalties they decide to impose," said Competitor vice president Tracy Sundlun. "In the meantime, we will proactively elevate all those who finished behind Christian in our various events and award additional prize money to those affected beginning in August 2010, the date Christian said he first used EPO."

Fikadu Lemma will be recognized as the new Providence winner, and all finishers will be moved up one spot in the results, with prize money accordingly increased, Sundlun said.

-- What I'd like to know is whether they are going to get the $1000 1st place prize back from Christian.

(Actually, based on how long it took Rock 'n' Roll to send me my check last year, they probably haven't even sent it to him yet, so they won't have to ask for it back. Convenient, that.)

edumacator wrote:

Not to mention testing AT races doesn't even solve the problem - I have no problem believing Hesch was not technically "on" EPO when he raced, but he sure as hell was still reaping the benefits of using it. Testing at races will not catch someone who dopes, cycles off of the drugs before the race, and shows up on the starting line "clean".

Which is why we have random, out of competition testing for those that are good enough to be in the pool. The weekend warriors won't qualify.