taxing issue
"Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/24/2012 5:48AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The best female ultrarunner ever is pretty much described as an amazingly talented witch. Fair or unfair?
Ann's friend
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/24/2012 7:38AM - in reply to taxing issue Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
She knew the author was a fraud from the get-go, and didn't want to be associated with his book chock full of misinformation and twisted facts. McDougal was mainly out to make a buck and she saw through that.

Since she didn't play along, he lashed out by 'slamming' her.
Jurgis Rudkus
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/24/2012 7:44AM - in reply to taxing issue Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The book is intended to highlight the Tarahumara, therefore it's convenient to portray Trason somewhat negatively as she was their main competition at Leadville.
sc42
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/24/2012 11:04AM - in reply to taxing issue Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Well, she wears shoes, so she's obviously not THAT good.
jopblo
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/24/2012 11:16AM - in reply to sc42 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
More detail please. Why was she called a witch?
taxing issue
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/24/2012 4:22PM - in reply to jopblo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The book is ab out the tarahumara. They are they isolated tribe of people who have a culture based on running. They have no written language and run on home sandals with leather straps. They are a very kind, generous but shy people. A small group of them were taken to Leadville to run a 100 mile ultra.

Ann Trason was the favorite to win the race. I guess in the long ultras the gap between male and females is pretty small and she had won a number of ultras outright. Throughout the race she was quoted as being very rude and dismissive of this group. Even after the race she made a snide comment and didn't congratulate the winner but said that it sometimes take a woman to bring out the best in a man. A simple congratulations would have been nice. But her comment seemed to say to them, you beat a woman so what?

Certainly reading the section of the book about this race had you rooting against Ann the whole run. She kind of confused the tarahumara and they wondered why she was so mean and thought she might put a spell on them.

My question was if anyone knows if this was true and fair.

PS Letsrun got good mention in the book
Gang green
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/24/2012 7:34PM - in reply to taxing issue Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Any particular reason why this topic resurfaced today?
taxing issue
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/24/2012 7:56PM - in reply to Gang green Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Of course, I'm currently reading the book. Its very interesting by the way.


Gang green wrote:

Any particular reason why this topic resurfaced today?
Bad Wigins
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/24/2012 9:19PM - in reply to taxing issue Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Putting a spell on your opponents is a rampant form of cheating.

David Rudisha's village invoked a spell for him to defeat his enemies at London. Obviously that race was enchanted by a powerful magick. And Rudisha won.

There are many other races that have been won by sorcery, but I can't think of them right now.
jopblo
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/24/2012 10:10PM - in reply to taxing issue Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I remember reading somewhere that Trason's pacer kept telling her that the Tarahumara had a lot of machismo and couldn't stand to be beaten by a woman.
The Animal Within
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/25/2012 12:07AM - in reply to jopblo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
You're over thinking it. If I remember it was simply saying how competitive she was, that's all.
taxing issue
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/25/2012 6:03AM - in reply to The Animal Within Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
They referred to her constantly during the race as a witch.

These runners were the a kind and gentle group. They ran to earn corn for their village.
Grizz
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/25/2012 8:23AM - in reply to taxing issue Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
It seemed to me that the author placed most of the onus on the Tarahumara's "agent" for constantly bringing up how their culture would not allow them to lose to a woman, despite the fact that that simply wasn't true at all.

Think of it this way, if you're Trason, and this agent keeps saying to the press "My guys can't stand to lose to a woman, they'll put this uppity girl in her place, their culture is super macho and they don't think she's nearly as good as them" how could you have any idea if that were true or if the guys were humble, kind athletes running for corn?

For what it's worth, I thought the author painted the agent guy (I forget his name) in a lot worse light than Trason.

Keep in mind, too, that this is the same author who claimed Bowerman was a stupid and greedy sprint coach who didn't know the first thing about distance running, but wanted to make a quick buck by destroying lots of unwitting joggers.
off the leash
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/25/2012 9:43AM - in reply to Grizz Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I don't know Trason personally, but admired her a lot back in the day.

One thing that I can recall from her interviews is that she does not like it when people compare female runners to male runners. She believes that it is a separate race no matter what. Women are just in a different league, even if there are few men that were as good as she was. I remember one quote in particular (from memory) when asked after a race if she was upset that she didn't win and she said something along the lines of "people keep asking me that and my response is I did win!" meaning that she won the women's race and that women do not race against men.

It's funny, I think the book did portray her in a bad light, but everyone has their perspective. The book also says that Jenn Shelton is a blond supermodel-lookalike. She doesn't have blond hair. I don't know why he would write otherwise.
off the leash
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/25/2012 9:50AM - in reply to off the leash Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
But is witch such a bad thing? It could just mean that she is so extraordinary she must have special powers. Not that she out to get others, but that she can do things that others can't.
Junk Master
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/25/2012 10:37AM - in reply to Bad Wigins Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Bad Wigins wrote:

Putting a spell on your opponents is a rampant form of cheating.

David Rudisha's village invoked a spell for him to defeat his enemies at London. Obviously that race was enchanted by a powerful magick. And Rudisha won.




This...

MagicK is the ultimate PED.
X-Acto
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/25/2012 11:27AM - in reply to off the leash Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

off the leash wrote:
The book also says that Jenn Shelton is a blond supermodel-lookalike.


Good point. Not to be too judgmental, but from what society normally considers from such descriptions, I think Jenn's main selling point was standing out from little competition for attractiveness in ultrarunning (especially a few years back) more than the general population.
To her credit, she's dismayed by being portrayed too much as a partier, and does take running and training more seriously than given credit for.
I've also heard Micah True downplay the exaggerations of the dangers of Copper Canyon as presented by McDougall. Oh, and he (RIP) was nowhere near as reclusive and mysterious as presented in the book -- genuine and openhearted would have been more apt descriptions.

So Point #1: McDougall exaggerates (successfully!) to create a better narrative.
X-Acto
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/25/2012 11:29AM - in reply to X-Acto Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Point #2: Culture and language differences lead to misunderstanding of cultural relevance.

Sorcery is, or more recently was, incorporated into Tarahumara culture. At a broad level, it can be used to explain things that are different and unexpected from their worldview. Going to Leadville and racing hard against a white woman, among a cultural and language barrier, would certainly fulfill that criteria. I have no doubt that most of their usage of the term is based on fear of the unknown, but McDougall and American readers stretched it to a more American view.

Another example: some Tarahumara recently ran the Run Rabbit Run 100 in Steamboat, and both dropped. One due to injury. They both asked much about the course itself and about "bears." Why bears? Someone speculated on irunfar: "The fear may be founded in superstitions that the Tarahumara tribe believes in." Whatever. There are bears roaming around in the area this time of year especially, and some bears got into drop bags at an aid station the previous night. These guys are running all alone (no pacers) through the night in a strange country; on, as it turns out, a confusing and poorly-marked course in which people got lost. The simple explanation then is frustration, uncertainty, and fear -- but a more "romantic" portrayal would involve bruin superstitions instead.
Conundrum
RE: "Born to Run" trea ment of Ann trason 9/25/2012 8:15PM - in reply to X-Acto Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Although I found "Born To Run" to be very interesting, it was diminished by the rather consistent and obvious embellishment throughout the book. Everyone was either the most handsome or most beautiful or most athletic. The descriptions got old. The scene were Jenn and Billy were close to death and had to drink from bacteria laden mud but then suddenly recuperated with a couple gu's and a small bit of water and started running back home just turned me off.
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