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Ho hum
Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 3:36PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
dsrunner
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 3:58PM - in reply to Ho hum Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
~3000miles/year factoring in 7 rest weeks
Turkey Trot Hopeful
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 4:29PM - in reply to Ho hum Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I hope that all of my competition reads this so I will have a better chance of winning when it matters - in November!
coach d
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 4:42PM - in reply to dsrunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Lagat uses two 10 week cycles followed competition, followed by rest. The max is 65, and the average is probably more like 55 during those cycles, and comp significantly less than that of course.

So it's really not 3000 mi/year, probably not a lot more than half that, but almost everything he runs is fast.
Tyrannosaurus Rexing
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 5:48PM - in reply to dsrunner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
He says he maxes out at 65. So no, he is not doing the total you project.


dsrunner wrote:

~3000miles/year factoring in 7 rest weeks
someone had to do it
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 6:07PM - in reply to Tyrannosaurus Rexing Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

He says he maxes out at 65. So no, he is not doing the total you project.

[quote]dsrunner wrote:

~3000miles/year factoring in 7 rest weeks
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he also said on twitter that he runs 75 per week sometimes


who knows what he does
Obligatory LRC Post
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 7:12PM - in reply to someone had to do it Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Or it's the EPO
Azaleas
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 7:32PM - in reply to Obligatory LRC Post Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
EPO allows you to train very hard. Low mileage isn't an indication of EPO.
someone had to do it
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 7:47PM - in reply to Azaleas Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Azaleas wrote:

EPO allows you to train very hard. Low mileage isn't an indication of EPO.



i don't even know where to begin....
forrealreal
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 7:50PM - in reply to someone had to do it Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
washed up kenyan f*ck. wheres centrowits at?
Aubergine
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 8:30PM - in reply to forrealreal Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I don't think 4th in the Olympic 5000 is "washed up." As for Centrowitz, he's quoted in that article, too
Azaleas
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 8:36PM - in reply to someone had to do it Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

someone had to do it wrote:
i don't even know where to begin....

Maybe you could begin by explaining yourself or pointing to other low mileage EPO cheats. Remember when people defended Lance because he worked so hard and spent so many hours on the bike, that he COULDN'T be cheating? Guess how he was able to do that.

Or just make a sarcastic comment and move on, because you don't know what you're talking about.
O RlY
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 8:56PM - in reply to Azaleas Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Hahah what about dem braces???? How about runnign abooot same pace he did 10 years ago? He's all doped up. Get yer head out of hte sand dirty ostrich.
Azaleas
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 9:06PM - in reply to O RlY Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Oh, I wasn't aware that EPO made your jaw grow. Thanks for the heads up, brother.
shoe guy
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/20/2012 9:30PM - in reply to coach d Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

coach d wrote:

Lagat uses two 10 week cycles followed competition, followed by rest. The max is 65, and the average is probably more like 55 during those cycles, and comp significantly less than that of course.

So it's really not 3000 mi/year, probably not a lot more than half that, but almost everything he runs is fast.


Yeah, he doesn't count mileage over 5:30 pace. So in reality, he is doing more than the 60ish miles he reports.
someone had to do it
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/21/2012 12:39AM - in reply to Azaleas Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Azaleas wrote:

Maybe you could begin by explaining yourself or pointing to other low mileage EPO cheats. Remember when people defended Lance because he worked so hard and spent so many hours on the bike, that he COULDN'T be cheating? Guess how he was able to do that.

Or just make a sarcastic comment and move on, because you don't know what you're talking about.


I made a comment and moved on because in my experience, people like you tend to resist logic and reason so I've made a habit of not engaging your kind, however in this instance I feel that your ignorance warrants a response.

I posted that comment for a few reasons. The first being that your post was simply wrong in multiple ways.

You made your post to refute the post of another individual claiming that Lagat used EPO. Your (incorrect) reasoning for this was that:

1) EPO allows an athlete to train harder.

2) Harder training is an indication of EPO use.

3) Low mileage is less hard than high mileage.

4) Lagat runs low mileage.

5) Therefore there is no indication, based on Lagat's training, that he has used EPO.


This is a faulty line of reasoning for a few reasons. One being that mileage says nothing about how "hard" someone is training. I can destroy someone on 150 miles per week just as easily as I can destroy someone on 50 miles per week. The difficulty of training is measured not just in quantity of training, but in quality of training as well.

Lagat being a low mileage runner (if you believe what he says) says nothing about how hard he trains. All it tells us is that he is a low mileage runner. It doesn't tell us how hard his training is or how easy his training is.

Therefore, without the details of Lagat's training you are not in a position to draw any conclusions and state whether he is likely to be using EPO based solely on that information.

Do you understand?
magic EPO
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/21/2012 3:35AM - in reply to someone had to do it Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Wasn't there that article on the amateur cyclist who took HGH, steroids, and EPO to experiment, and everything was kind of blah for him except for the EPO. And his comment was that EPO allowed him to go hard and long and be able to do the same thing the next day or feel like you can that it was almost surreal. It does sound like Lagat's long extra rests and low mileage is the antithesis of that. The fact is no one knows, but this is a rather significant point that points toward non-epo use. If he did 150 mile weeks everything hard and he was telling everybody he's the hardest worker on earth, than that would point the opposite direction.
Slowerdude
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/21/2012 7:25AM - in reply to magic EPO Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Does Lagat really "jog" 10 miles in 55 minutes?
Home Inspector
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/21/2012 7:38AM - in reply to Ho hum Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
3 weeks after a 5 week layoff and he can "jog" 10 miles in 55 minutes.

Lord I wish I had that talent.
Nutella1
RE: Article on Lagat in the WSJ 9/21/2012 7:50AM - in reply to magic EPO Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

magic EPO wrote:

Wasn't there that article on the amateur cyclist who took HGH, steroids, and EPO to experiment, and everything was kind of blah for him except for the EPO.


It all works together. Cyclists typically take all of the above + testosterone and then blood transfusions for in competition (when they test).

All I heard EPO has the biggest bang for the buck but there must be a reason why they take everything else, too.
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