I live in Utah and we're growing downhill marathons like weeds. I think race directors are trying to make St. George look up hill.
short harriered wrote:Josh L. wrote:Pretty cool site.
http://www.findmymarathon.com has things called PR (Personal Record, I think) and Course Scores that rank how fast courses are. There are scores for a lot (not all) marathons in the US there.
Some of those downhill marathons can punish you though. It seems like they are cropping up everywhere these days.
plus for 2012 significantly downhill courses were not eligible
earnest wrote:2:26 guy wrote:You trying to qualify for OTs? If so, I'd go with one of the majors so you at least have someone around you. Time trialing, at least for me, is difficult in a marathon. Plus, you'll know there will be few surprises with course and race management.
Chicago, Cal International, Steamtown, any others?
Were all the downhill ones like Steamtown or St. George ineligible or was it the "falling off the cliff" types only?
cenotaph wrote:earnest wrote:plus for 2012 significantly downhill courses were not eligible2:26 guy wrote:You trying to qualify for OTs? If so, I'd go with one of the majors so you at least have someone around you. Time trialing, at least for me, is difficult in a marathon. Plus, you'll know there will be few surprises with course and race management.
Chicago, Cal International, Steamtown, any others?
st george definitely ineligible. pretty sure steamtown too. their criteria was the course had to be <4.25m/km to count. for reference (and the reason 4.25 is the cutoff) boston iirc is 4.23m/km
scotticus wrote:cenotaph wrote:Were all the downhill ones like Steamtown or St. George ineligible or was it the "falling off the cliff" types only?earnest wrote:plus for 2012 significantly downhill courses were not eligible2:26 guy wrote:You trying to qualify for OTs? If so, I'd go with one of the majors so you at least have someone around you. Time trialing, at least for me, is difficult in a marathon. Plus, you'll know there will be few surprises with course and race management.
Chicago, Cal International, Steamtown, any others?
How did they draw the line?
New Hampshire. But I didn't know there was a marathon there.
o rlly? wrote:
Really? And what state is Berlin in exactly?
Why are you going to that site when you've got Marathonguide.com? They're the most comprehensive website for anything and everything about the marathon. Here's their page for Biggest and Best Boston Qualifiers, with 10 years of data.
Josh L. wrote:
http://www.findmymarathon.com has things called PR (Personal Record, I think) and Course Scores that rank how fast courses are. There are scores for a lot (not all) marathons in the US there.
I'd have to disagree. I've run both St. George and Tucson several times each, and I've always done far better at St. George. St. George is also a much better run race. Pam Reed, on the other hand, is one of the worst race directors ever, to the point where I will never run Tucson again.
LeadvilleNative wrote:
Tucson is also fast-in my mind faster than St. George, though there are some intangibles. Tucson has a more consistent downhill-St George has a 7 or 8 mile flat/uphill section from about mile 6-and a steeper down second half. Tucson has a 2 mile flat/uphill at mile 12-but other than that, it's 2-3% downhill the whole way. No lottery to get in, smaller field. Nicer city. Easier travel/more hotels. Better Mexican Food. I had a tailwind and PRd by 16 minutes.
yeah. marthonguide used to be good when it first started. the reviews were helpful, but now they're junk. unless of course you are interested in hearing people complain about the size of the medal or that there wasn't their favorite donut at the finish line.
stats rock wrote:Josh L. wrote:Why are you going to that site when you've got Marathonguide.com? They're the most comprehensive website for anything and everything about the marathon. Here's their page for Biggest and Best Boston Qualifiers, with 10 years of data.
http://www.findmymarathon.com has things called PR (Personal Record, I think) and Course Scores that rank how fast courses are. There are scores for a lot (not all) marathons in the US there.
http://www.marathonguide.com/r...gRaces.cfm
There's also ARRS, with their race time bias for elite performances.
http://www.arrs.net/TB_Mara.htm
It's in one of the 7 new states created in 2008 during voter redistricting:
o rlly? wrote:
Really? And what state is Berlin in exactly?
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cenotaph wrote:earnest wrote:plus for 2012 significantly downhill courses were not eligible2:26 guy wrote:You trying to qualify for OTs? If so, I'd go with one of the majors so you at least have someone around you. Time trialing, at least for me, is difficult in a marathon. Plus, you'll know there will be few surprises with course and race management.
Chicago, Cal International, Steamtown, any others?
Xplainer wrote:cenotaph wrote:-----earnest wrote:plus for 2012 significantly downhill courses were not eligible2:26 guy wrote:You trying to qualify for OTs? If so, I'd go with one of the majors so you at least have someone around you. Time trialing, at least for me, is difficult in a marathon. Plus, you'll know there will be few surprises with course and race management.
Chicago, Cal International, Steamtown, any others?
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This is the correct answer. STOP with these down hill races; STOP!!! You prove nothing & no one cares about your race down a significant grade.
If you don't like the recent comments, just flip back to the older comments. Ex. I just looked up the Baltimore Marathon, and there's 390 comments going back to 2001. There's so many different tools and years and years of stats on it. There's no other marathon website that's as comprehensive. Great resource.
sydney wrote:
yeah. marthonguide used to be good when it first started. the reviews were helpful, but now they're junk. unless of course you are interested in hearing people complain about the size of the medal or that there wasn't their favorite donut at the finish line.
John, is that you? LOL
stats rock wrote:sydney wrote:If you don't like the recent comments, just flip back to the older comments. Ex. I just looked up the Baltimore Marathon, and there's 390 comments going back to 2001. There's so many different tools and years and years of stats on it. There's no other marathon website that's as comprehensive. Great resource.
yeah. marthonguide used to be good when it first started. the reviews were helpful, but now they're junk. unless of course you are interested in hearing people complain about the size of the medal or that there wasn't their favorite donut at the finish line.