Charlie Grice High School Runner 3.57 Mile!!!

How old is the Hamzi (and eggs) kid?

He ran 3.42 1500m last year, so roughly a 3.59 mile performance.

We quite reguarly get one or two juniors going around 3.41/3.42 each year. The availability of fast 1500m races are greater for our high school aged runners than they are for high schoolers in the states.

I do however get the impression that Grice could be the real deal.

This kid will go far he has a good set up at Steve Ovett's old club coached by Sally Gunnell's husband Jon Bigg.

The kid has a great attitude and is not afraid of hard work although he is on half the load that most are on.

s.mouse1 wrote:

How old is the Hamzi (and eggs) kid?

He was born Nov. 7, 1993

18 years 251 days.

Charlie Grice Fan wrote:

Are you a British runner same age as a High School Miler runs 3.57 mile for the mile. AND THERE IS NO HYPE!!!!

They must not teach people how to use the English language in England anymore.

To bad he choked at juniors

Charlie Grice Fan wrote:

Are you a British runner same age as a High School Miler runs 3.57 mile for the mile. AND THERE IS NO HYPE!!!!

There would be more hype if anyone could figure out what in God's name you're trying to say.

Charlie Grice Fan wrote:

Are you a British runner same age as a High School Miler runs 3.57 mile for the mile. AND THERE IS NO HYPE!!!!

He's not American. Most HS Athletics hyped on this site are related to American running. International running is covered at the elite level.

1993 is not high school aged. He is the same age as freshman in University. Austin Mudd, also born in 1993, ran 3:40.87 for 1500m this year. You didn't hear too much hype about him as he was out of HS already and a freshman at university.

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kjhkjk wrote:

He's not American. Most HS Athletics hyped on this site are related to American WHITE running.

Check out the all-time UK rankings over 1500m for the U17 (15-16) age group.

Of the top six performances four have come in the last two years. That means we have four athletes within a second of Steve Cram's results at the same age. Obviously not all of them will make it through to the elite level but even if one does it's quite possible we will have a sub 3:30 guy again relatively soon.

No pressure lads!

Interesting that of the 42 guys listed only nine went on to break 3:40

Canada Coach wrote:

1993 is not high school aged. He is the same age as freshman in University. Austin Mudd, also born in 1993, ran 3:40.87 for 1500m this year. You didn't hear too much hype about him as he was out of HS already and a freshman at university.

Those who graduated from high school this past year were generally born the last part of 1993 or the first part of 1994 generally so he is the same age as most students enrolling in college this year.

Would be one of the older ones but not by a year and a bunch would be older than him that graduated on time. Most Freshman turn 19 during their Freshman year as he would if he were enrolling in college this year.

RE: yeah but no but yeah but no

Fair point and also it's an even more damming statistic if you look at the fact that the number under 3:38 is only a paltry four.

Now it is certainly the case that a fair few of these guys went on to other events such as Michael Rimmer being a 1:43 guy in the 8 or Mark Sesay running 1:45 in the same event. To a certain extent age-group performances can simply come down to measuring who is the most developed at the time but guys like Shirling and Grice do not look like they fail under that criterion.

Sad fact is we're not that great at bringing talent though. The middle distances seem to be the only areas that our caucasian-majority population can compete.

Explaining young phenoms in our sport.

There are 5 major components involved:

1) Natural Talent

2) Anaerobic Development

3) Aerobic Development

4) Quality Coaching

5) Other (lifestyle, nutrition, habits, etc)

The current Junior systems in the U.S. and Britian (and many other countries as well) take athletes with #1 (Talent) and seek to quickly develop them with #2 (Anaerobic Development) and if #3 and # 4 are sufficient enough they have some early success (see your list of 15-16 yr old for 1500).

But the faster you get the more important it is to have all 5 things squared away.

From what I have seen the problem with the Junior systems is not with #1 or #2, we have plenty of #1 and know how to do #2. The problems with the Junior system is the lack of #3 at an early age, the lack of #4 to realize that #3 is lacking and #5 is lacking because of our modern lifestyle and the lack of discipline we show as a society.

I have seen #3, #4 and #5 kill off or stagnate countless talented American young phenoms.

Just having a deficieny in any 1 of those 5 areas can seriously set a young runner back, a deficieny in 2 makes it nearly impossible to make a world class level. But by having a lot of #1 and doing #2 you can show alot of promise early (and be proclaimed "The next big thing") only for your progress to be derailed by #3, #4 or #5. (Only 4 on your list make it to bette rthan 3:38).

There are those who have sufficient enough #1 that they can perform remarkably well despite weakness in other areas but they never make it all the way to the top.

Read this and think about it. Young phenoms and their parents, don't ignore any of these areas or be so blinded by your abundance of #1 and early success that you begin to believe that all 5 components don't apply to you and your ultimate success.

VERY well put. Every young athlete and their parents should take a look at this several times. It is a long term process. Read and learn.

Canada Coach wrote:

1993 is not high school aged. He is the same age as freshman in University. Austin Mudd, also born in 1993, ran 3:40.87 for 1500m this year. You didn't hear too much hype about him as he was out of HS already and a freshman at university.

He is not in the same school year as Mudd , Grice will go to university in September any idea where he will go ?

He should go to Tulsa or New Mexico. It has recently worked for Brits at those two places. Villanova and Iona could too.

Grice like any athlete is keeping his options open at the moment. USA does sound appealing. what do you guys reckon the best play in USA to attend university is atm....