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If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 11:34AM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
doesn't seem to make sense
God.
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 11:51AM - in reply to surprise macaroni surprise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I move things in mysterious ways. You mortal will never figure it out MWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
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RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 11:57AM - in reply to surprise macaroni surprise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Once again, it depends on your perspective. Maybe it is infinitely expanding in the dimensions we inhabit/experience/detect but may be excluded from other dimensions.
kibitzer
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 11:57AM - in reply to surprise macaroni surprise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
As I understand it, our universe in fact is finite but boundless.

I could be wrong.
4:00.3
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 11:59AM - in reply to surprise macaroni surprise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
stars and celestial bodies are getting further away from one another. But there is no wall that you'd ram the edge of a space shuttle into if you got far enough.
God.
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 11:59AM - in reply to kibitzer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Keep guessing mortal fools.
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RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 12:07PM - in reply to 4:00.3 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

4:00.3 wrote:

stars and celestial bodies are getting further away from one another. But there is no wall that you'd ram the edge of a space shuttle into if you got far enough.


so it doesn't end?
bluewaters
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 12:09PM - in reply to surprise macaroni surprise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

surprise macaroni surprise wrote:

doesn't seem to make sense


The space between galaxies, stars, etc is expanding. So the universe can easily be infinite and expanding.
Owl Jolson
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 12:15PM - in reply to surprise macaroni surprise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Space isn't expanding, the matter in space is.
Todd from Texas
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 12:15PM - in reply to surprise macaroni surprise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Some infinites are bigger than others.

For example, there are an infinite number of irrational numbers between zero and one. There are more between zero and one hundred.
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RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 12:16PM - in reply to surprise macaroni surprise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
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RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 12:19PM - in reply to surprise macaroni surprise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
For example, perhaps it is expanding like a bubble around itself. One can travel around a sphere infinitely and never reach a plateau.
Mike from canmore
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 12:26PM - in reply to Todd from Texas Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Todd from Texas wrote:

Some infinites are bigger than others.

For example, there are an infinite number of irrational numbers between zero and one. There are more between zero and one hundred.


Actually, those two examples are the same size.
I think I got it
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 12:27PM - in reply to Todd from Texas Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'm pretty sure there are the same number of irrational numbers in the open intervals (0,1) and in (0,100). Things can get pretty confusing once you get into infinities.

However, there are more irrationals in (0,1) than there are rationals in (0,1), despite the fact that the number of both are infinite. These are examples of uncountable and countable infinities, which are the most basic infinities in mathematics, but you can go far above uncountable if you want.
BLC
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 12:43PM - in reply to surprise macaroni surprise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The whole concept of our reality and what it comprises of, is way beyond the interpretaions and knowledge of our so called scientists. However it is not their fault, they can only comprehend the total picture based on what their minds perceive. The whole EXISTENCE of all that is carries many realities and universal dimensions. This is how the ET's of our world exist. They have always been here, they are not from the distant space, but different dimensions in space. Most of this is way beyond what the normal person can perceive. We all live different lives in different dimensional universes.
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RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 12:44PM - in reply to I think I got it Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
lol, discussing pointless sh*t like this is exactly why you aren't getting laid.
Todd from Texas
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 1:35PM - in reply to I think I got it Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
[quote]I think I got it wrote:

I'm pretty sure there are the same number of irrational numbers in the open intervals (0,1) and in (0,100).

The number of irrational numbers between 1 and 100 would have to be zero for your statement to be true.

Some infinites are bigger than others
People knew this 150 years ago
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 2:19PM - in reply to Todd from Texas Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
There are different sized infinities but this isn't an example. The set of irrationals in (0,1) is the same size as the set of irrationals in (0,100).

Both those sets are larger than the set of all integers. So you can't even "count" the irrationals in (0,1) or (0,100)--you run out of integers. The way we know the sets are the same size is by matching each element of one set with an element of the other set. The technical term for this is a bijective function (or simply a bijection).

In this particular case a bijection is f(x) = 100*x with inverse f^-1(x) = x/100. Thus the sets are the same size.



Todd from Texas wrote:

[quote]I think I got it wrote:

I'm pretty sure there are the same number of irrational numbers in the open intervals (0,1) and in (0,100).

The number of irrational numbers between 1 and 100 would have to be zero for your statement to be true.

Some infinites are bigger than others
Adam Webb
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 2:30PM - in reply to surprise macaroni surprise Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I have yet to see a science show that says the universe is infinite.
brohemoth
RE: If the universe is "expanding", how can it be infinite? 7/4/2012 3:09PM - in reply to Adam Webb Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Infinity.

Infinity +1.

That is all.
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