InWyo
Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/19/2012 2:16PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Does anyone know what the fields are limited to for the Trials? I was wondering what the chances are that Fam and Webb will be granted their respective petitions.
Mr. Obvious
RE: Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/19/2012 2:22PM - in reply to InWyo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
There is a desired field size. It is not a hard and fast limit. The desired field sizes are in the competition manual for the trials and vary between events. I don't think it will have any effect on Webb or Fam.
Links for you
RE: Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/19/2012 2:46PM - in reply to InWyo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The USATF website shows the field sizes and number of rounds-

http://usatf.org/Events---Calendar/2012/U-S--Olympic-Team-Trials-TF/Athlete-Info/Entry/Qualifying-Standards.aspx

The site says that the field size is "approximate" and not the minimum field size, meaning the USATF can decided to go with fewer if they want after all of the A standard athletes have been automatically included.

Webb has the slowest pending "B" time and is 32 out of a approx. field size of 24.

http://usatf.org/Events---Calendar/2012/U-S--Olympic-Team-Trials-TF/Athlete-Info/Entry/Status-of-Entries.aspx

Fam is 24 out of an approx. field size of 24.

http://usatf.org/Events---Calendar/2012/U-S--Olympic-Team-Trials-TF/Athlete-Info/Entry/Status-of-Entries.aspx
Links for you
RE: Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/19/2012 2:48PM - in reply to Links for you Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Looking the SC field over, Josh McAdams is qualified but not running. Anyone know why?
InWyo
RE: Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/19/2012 4:23PM - in reply to Links for you Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Links for you wrote:

Looking the SC field over, Josh McAdams is qualified but not running. Anyone know why?


Wouldn't worry too much. Bernard Lagat hadn't declared until today for the 5k. There are a lot of runners taking their time, and a few who haven't decided yet.
Field Day
RE: Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/20/2012 11:58AM - in reply to InWyo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
So when do they actually release the heat sheets?

It seems like they put the deadline for declarations awfully late for a lot of the events.
Casual Track Fan
RE: Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/20/2012 12:25PM - in reply to Mr. Obvious Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Mr. Obvious wrote:

There is a desired field size. It is not a hard and fast limit. The desired field sizes are in the competition manual for the trials and vary between events. I don't think it will have any effect on Webb or Fam.


As someone said on another thread, once all of the A people are included in the field the USATF can just decided to cut off all of the B qualifiers even if the desired field size hasn't been reached. In the past, B runners with pending appeals have showed up at the trials and been told after they are there that they can't run even tho the desired field size hasn't been reached.

Personally, I think that is wrong. I think they ought to include all of the A qualifiers and as many B qualifiers as it takes to meet the field size in order of qualification. It would be a simple and transparent rule and people would know where they stand.
Reading the tea leaves
RE: Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/20/2012 12:54PM - in reply to InWyo Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
For steeple they don't have to declare until Friday, so a Josh Adams could still come in and push Fam down a spot-

http://www.usatf.org/Events---Calendar/2012/U-S--Olympic-Team-Trials-TF/Athlete-Info/Entry.aspx

Also for the 5000 there are 3 guys with the A who could come in ahead of Webb who haven't declared, but I assume they have decided to run other events.

I would guess they wouldn't decide on the B guys until after the declaration deadline so that they know before deciding how many A guys have to be included in the field.
Reading the tea leaves
RE: Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/20/2012 1:08PM - in reply to Reading the tea leaves Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
^^
Josh McAdams
C/M Runner
RE: Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/20/2012 1:18PM - in reply to Reading the tea leaves Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Reading the tea leaves wrote:

I would guess they wouldn't decide on the B guys until after the declaration deadline so that they know before deciding how many A guys have to be included in the field.


So when is the declaration deadline?
Mr. Obvious
RE: Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/20/2012 1:21PM - in reply to C/M Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
C/M Runner wrote:

[quote]Reading the tea leaves wrote:

I would guess they wouldn't decide on the B guys until after the declaration deadline so that they know before deciding how many A guys have to be included in the field.


So when is the declaration deadline?[/quote]

Two days before the start of the event.
C/M Runner
RE: Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/20/2012 1:26PM - in reply to Mr. Obvious Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
So all events for June 22nd should be declared and decided? I'm just trying to figure out why there are still so many "pendings" for the 800m. Thanks.
My guesstimations
RE: Olympic Trials Field Sizes 6/20/2012 2:19PM - in reply to C/M Runner Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
C/M Runner wrote:

So all events for June 22nd should be declared and decided? I'm just trying to figure out why there are still so many "pendings" for the 800m. Thanks.


I assume it means that the USATF now knows everyone who has declared and the A people are in, but they haven't decided appeals or set the final field size. So the B runners don't know their status yet.

If it goes like it has in the past, the B runners will have to show up in Eugene before they find out at the last minute whether they actually get to run - which is not how to run a popsicle stand.